FXCM Is Buying RefcoFX - Deal is Done - Funds are safe

Quote from strat3x:

Quote from jimrockford:


RefcoFX originally claimed that the current situation could never occur

jimrockford,

Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe, the folks who ran RefcoFX did not know that REFCO was a house of cards? Much in the same way that the NYSE did not know? Or in the same way that Jim Rogers did not know? Or in the same way that the investment bankers behind the IPO did not know?

Just wondering...

I do not follow your logic, strat3x. The folks who ran RefcoFX assured us that the current situation could never possibly occur. This includes an assurance that RefcoFX customers would be fully protected in the event of problems at other Refco entities. Refco asserted, "NO COUNTERPARTY RISK". This assurance was false.

It doesn't matter whether they knew other Refco entities were a house of cards. Every company knows that every other company might potentially have a bankruptcy problem. The issue is whether or not RefcoFX customers were protected from any problems which might arise in other Refco entities. RefcoFX customers were not so protected. RefcoFX knew that the protection did not exist. RefcoFX customers were at risk, and RefcoFX knew it. It is clear that RefcoFX lied about this.

The risk existed, RefcoFX knew it existed, and yet, they fraudulently claimed that it did not exist. They said, "NO COUNTERPARTY RISK".
 
Can somebody please explain these interesting facts for me?

A page from the FXCM website, cached by Google on Oct 1, 2005, states the following:

FXCM: Part of the Refco Group of Companies *** Being part of the Refco Group enables FXCM to leverage Refco's significant balance sheet, global infrastructure, and banking relationships to better serve our clients.
See

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cach...ionship.jsp+fxcm+refco&hl=en&client=firefox-a
(NOTE: I can't seem to get that URL to work right on ET. So I suggest you just Google refco and FXCM, and you should find this cached link in the first few pages.)

If one follows the Google link, on that cached page, to the current page replacing the cached page, then one finds that the new page omits any mention of Refco. See http://www.fxcm.com/company-profile.jsp.

Seems Orwellian.

The British FXCM website, however, still says
FXCM is part of the Refco group of companies.
See http://www.fxcm.co.uk/refco-relationship.htm.

Here is another fun fact.

RefcoFX's address is:

RefcoFX New York
Financial Square
32 Old Slip, 10th Floor
New York, NY 10005

and

FXCM's address is:

Forex Capital Markets
Financial Square
32 Old Slip, 10th Floor,
New York, NY 10005

So FXCM and RefcoFX have exactly the same address, and until very recently, FXCM represented itself as part of Refco.

Can anybody explain what is really going on here?
 
Quote from jimrockford:

Can somebody please explain these interesting facts for me?

A page from the FXCM website, cached by Google on Oct 1, 2005, states the following:


See

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cach...ionship.jsp+fxcm+refco&hl=en&client=firefox-a
(NOTE: I can't seem to get that URL to work right on ET. So I suggest you just Google refco and FXCM, and you should find this cached link in the first few pages.)

If one follows the Google link, on that cached page, to the current page replacing the cached page, then one finds that the new page omits any mention of Refco. See http://www.fxcm.com/company-profile.jsp.

Seems Orwellian.

The British FXCM website, however, still says See http://www.fxcm.co.uk/refco-relationship.htm.

Here is another fun fact.

RefcoFX's address is:

RefcoFX New York
Financial Square
32 Old Slip, 10th Floor
New York, NY 10005

and

FXCM's address is:

Forex Capital Markets
Financial Square
32 Old Slip, 10th Floor,
New York, NY 10005

So FXCM and RefcoFX have exactly the same address, and until very recently, FXCM represented itself as part of Refco.

Can anybody explain what is really going on here?

Refco hired FXCM to run this business. They did. They licensed their software to Refco. They knew the Refco business better than Refco did, they ran it. They were blindsided by the events in a different division. Since they knew the profitability of RefcoFX intimately, they bought it. End of story (as long as the judge goes along). Oh yes, and don't forget they divested themselves of any association with Refco along the way.
 
Can anybody explain what is really going on here ?
RefcoFX Associates LLC was a spin off from Refco Capital Markets Ltd (Bermudas).

RefcoFX used FXCM´s technology and infrastructure.
 
Quote from Xenia:

RefcoFX Associates LLC was a spin off from Refco Capital Markets Ltd (Bermudas).

RefcoFX used FXCM´s technology and infrastructure.

And probably the same employees.:D :D :D :D

I doubt if REFCOFX has more that 20 employees..

Can you say outsourcing and marketing????:D
 
NFA records show that on Nov 8, 2005,
RefcoFX applied to do business under the name

Forex Capital Markets FXCM, NFA ID: 0362768, from the address:
704/B, ASMITA HILL VIEW, ASMITA COMPLEX, MIRA ROAD{E}
MUMBAI, 401107
INDIA
:p
 
Jim,

I can almost see you frothing at the mouth when you type your paranoid posts. I hope that it won't push you over the edge when RefcoFX customers justifibly sing the praises of FXCM for bailing them out.

Mark my words, etch it in stone, the funds are safe. The customers WILL get their full funds back.

Unlike any other MM FXCM put themselves on the line to salvage what could have been a disaster for the industry. When the industry got into trouble they came to the rescue, no other firm can claim that. Who else would you trust?

Trader/God
 
Quote from Trader/God:

Jim,

I can almost see you frothing at the mouth when you type your paranoid posts. I hope that it won't push you over the edge when RefcoFX customers justifibly sing the praises of FXCM for bailing them out.

Mark my words, etch it in stone, the funds are safe. The customers WILL get their full funds back.

Unlike any other MM FXCM put themselves on the line to salvage what could have been a disaster for the industry. When the industry got into trouble they came to the rescue, no other firm can claim that. Who else would you trust?

Trader/God

I think what they're doing if they're successful is great. I don't believe for a moment that it's based on purely honorable intentions however. They have many motives for not allowing the scenario to take place with RefcoFX. Some are apparent, many I suspect we'll never know.

As for Jim being paranoid; "Jim, keep it up -- you do better research than most people I know." I think what he has found is interesting.
 
Quote from jimrockford:


National Futures Association records show that on Nov 8, 2005, RefcoFX applied to do business under the name Forex Capital Markets FXCM, NFA ID: 0362768, from the address:
704/B, ASMITA HILL VIEW, ASMITA COMPLEX, MIRA ROAD{E}
MUMBAI, 401107
INDIA.


http://www.nfa.futures.org/basicnet/SearchResults.aspx?type=firm&firm=FOREX+CAPITAL+MARKETS

It doesn't show that at all, if you had done even 1/2 ounce of research it would be clear that is a fake.

To even suggest that this is FXCM is a laughably desperate attempt to smear the firm.

Trader/God
 
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