Futures spread trading

Quote from Martinghoul:

"Value" is always somewhat subjective...

How about “transitory equilibrium”?

- Or -

“That thing that price should move around faster than that thing moves itself”.
 
Quote from sle:

I think it's you who are being silly. If you have a 5+ Sharpe strategy with good other metrics that scales you can approach any quant fund allocator and get a few bucks to start. This said, through my years in the business the only people I've see that generate real-life returns with Sharpe higher then 2-3 or so (at the fund level!) are HFTs that are severely capacity constrained.

Most of the profitable Chicago prop futures traders I have met the past twenty years do it all the time. By the time you pay the vigorish, the desk fees, the commissions, split those net profits with the house ( your backers ), and then pay the IRS at normal tax rates because you get paid as an employee on a W-2 - well, if you didn't accomplish those metrics then you couldn't bank anything. I'll say it again - every successful Chicago prop futures trader does that kind of metrics.
 
Quote from Rationalize:
How about “transitory equilibrium”?

- Or -

“That thing that price should move around faster than that thing moves itself”.
Not sure that's the term I'd use...

More like distribution of possible future "fair values". If you're able to locate areas where there's too much or too little "weight" vs a "reasonable" forecast, that's edge.
 
Quote from pbylina
Why are eurodollars so popular in spread trading? Are they mainly Calendar spreaded?
'Cause a) Eurodollars are super liquid; b) the relationships are more intuitive than other spreads; c) have reasonably liquid option markets available; d) offer the right amount of uncertainty that a market can actually meaningfully exist; and e) there's a whole lot of contracts, so you can form all sorts of multi-legged strategies.
 
As Martin so eloquently stated, Eurodollars are a spread trader's wet dream.

There must be thousands of different calendar combinations when you consider not only simple pairs, but flys and condors ad infinitum. You can also spread them against cash or Treasury futures, and they make fine hedging vehicles for all sorts of strategies including forward corporate financing risk and swaps market-making. Again, flexibility to the extreme.

Note that the vast majority of all corporate credit finance structures are typically quoted against LIBOR.

The CME website is chock full of very good educational white papers on the topic. Enjoy.
 
As we speak, the entire 2012 strip is like 20-40K on the best bid and likewise offered in terms of the exchange supported simple pair calendar spreads.
 
Quote from pbylina:

How high of a correlation do you look for? If there 100% correlated the there is no opportunities right? What is sharpe ratio?
Even if something moves exactly inline with something else, there can still be a bid/ask spread to capture.
 
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