Futures or Stocks?! The truth

Greetings,

Personally it doesn't matter to me. Maybe I should take pride in the fact that I own part of a great american company. I'm here to make money from trading and I will scalp the markets to do so. If I want to feel good about something, I'll give more to the united way.

CajunSniper / Puretick.com Administrator-Trader
 
Quote from Agyar:

Well, I spent alot of time trying to trade futures profitably, and could never break over break-even. I'm trading stocks now and consistently making fairly good money. As far as I can tell, it is alot easier to find a tradeable edge in stocks.

Kind of makes all of those other points irrelevant.
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100% agree !!! you can find stocks in some situations when there is 80%-90% probability that price will go one way, not other... can you find it in futures? may be above 50% probability, but not 80%-90% definitely !
 
Quote from PinkBunny:

It does, and there are currency futures... but the main disadvantage I know of with forex is that (as far as I know) it's nearly impossible to scalp. You don't get to see order flow or a level II, so position or purely technically trading makes sense, but scalping like one can in futures or equities isn't feasable.
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there is Level 2 quotes in Forex, I don't remember broker name which gives Level 2 quotes in Forex, but it exists.
 
Quote from shelupinin:

100% agree !!! you can find stocks in some situations when there is 80%-90% probability that price will go one way, not other... can you find it in futures? may be above 50% probability, but not 80%-90% definitely !
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This is a false assumption.

There are times when there's a 80%-90% probability that futures trading instruments will move one direction.

However, this involves market seasonal tendencies and/or intraday market tendencies...

Different tendencies for day traders, swing traders and position traders.

They don't appear every trading day but when they do...its very profitable.

I've specifically discussed one particular market seasonal tendency with facts that can be easily verified by any one with access to S&P 500 futures going all the way back to 1990.

Also, you seem so sure this is not the case via the word definetly...

I'll let you use ET search menu to find my past discussion of one particular example of a 80% - 90% probability trade that will result in a profit...

A very nice profit.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/search.php?s=

There are many more 80% - 90% high probability futures trades (not just the S&P 500) but I won't mention them because they are part of my edge.

Sharing one example (if you want to do the search) should be good enough to know for fact that they do exist.

Mark
 
As far I as I understand it's impossible to have level 2 in Forex, because of the way the market is structured.
Actually, because of the way the market is not structured :)
 
KS96
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With exception of Stock index ,all future's is zero summe game

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and why do you think that stock index futures aren't?

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Company make economic value (discounted cash flow ). Dow index essentialy conglomerat
from 30 companies (ES,ERT,EN more),which make economic value.

EYM in this case derivative from Dow stock
(DIA as example)

In real situation retail operator on EYM dissadvantaged to retail stock operator on DIA from folloving points in most of case

1. All future brokers are FCM(trade from proprietary account against client interess)

2. Low quantity of retail operators
can use high margin with great tactical skill

3. CFTC accounts are not secured,
SEC secured .

4. Institutional operator advantage
against retail operator in future more as
in stock ( high platform /connection
price,latency &)

5. SEC is more responsible as CFTC


Your respectfully
 
Gentlemen

Some member wrote -

.....100% agree !!! you can find stocks in some situations when there is 80%-90% probability that price will go one way, not other... can you find it in futures? may be above 50% probability, but not 80%-90% definitely !

With which risk/reward relation by 1000
(not 10-30) operations

If in 1000 operations some operator
would make 60 % profitable trade's
by reward/risk 1:1 (for 100-1000$risk 200-2000$ back by winning trade's)
he would millionar .Monkey would make
50% of winning trade

The same for operator with 36% winning
trades in 1000,but with reward to risk
3:1 (for 100-1000 $ risk -400$-4000$ reward
by winning trade's)


Your respectfully
 
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