Futures brokers are greedy bastards

Quote from anjum55:

Any Trader doing over 100 Contracts per side should consider
CME memership Rule 106-R ( ECM-W ), to save money on Exchange Fees, You could save ~~~ how much
Regular CME Exchange Fee is NQ. ES = 1.14
with ECM-W you will pay 0.64 So saving = 0.50


Are there any simple instructions for how to get this membership that a stupid foreigner would understand?

Last time I looked I could not find anything that wasn't overly complicated. Or perhaps that's the way the exchanges want to keep it...
 
I know that Global Futures offers '$0.35 per side + exchange fees' for their X_Trader clients. There is a monthly fee for X_Trader though so it only makes sense if you're trading enough contracts. Still, I agree with you, that's pretty damn low. I'm not sure how that makes any sense to the broker.

Quote from TraDaToR:

3$RT is 0.35 $ commissions per side + exchange fees...I think it's for people making 3000-5000 RTs per month on average.

If they do that from first lot, they are fool.
 
Pick up the phone and call some brokers. There are some that are quite a bit cheaper with service. Some do it in tiers for the guys that call and say they are doing 1000 r/ts a month when in reality they do maybe 100. They pay a higher rate and then it drops after x# of trades and drops again after another x # of trades. Again, you have to pick up the phone, it really is easy. I shop around for most everything I pay for to look for the best deal, why wouldn't you do the same with your business?
 
Here it is from Lightspeed - right from my inbox. In a separate email I clarified the $10k min account size, and no platform fees.
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:31 AM
Subject: Lightspeed Slashes Commission Rates in Half

Thank you for your interest in Lightspeed Trading.
We wanted to let you know that Lightspeed has just slashed its
commission on options and futures trading to only $0.50 per contract
with NO contract minimums and NO ticket charges.
Equity transactions remain as low as $0.40 per trade. Full pricing
can be viewed here - http://www.lightspeed.com/pricing.aspx.

Lightspeed Trader is our flagship product for Individual Investors,
Professional Traders, Hedge Funds and Institutions who demand the best
in speed, functionality and stability.
 
Quote from syswizard:

Here it is from Lightspeed - right from my inbox. In a separate email I clarified the $10k min account size, and no platform fees.

Lightspeed doesn't have a platform charge, but does charge $65.00 a month for futures data.

Lightspeed uses Penson as the clearing firm.

It would be nice to see more futures firms at $0.50 a side plus exchange fees with no monthly volume requirement.
 
Quote from jeb9999:

Lightspeed doesn't have a platform charge, but does charge $65.00 a month for futures data.

Lightspeed uses Penson as the clearing firm.

It would be nice to see more futures firms at $0.50 a side plus exchange fees with no monthly volume requirement.

Why not just make it free?
Brokers shouldn't make anything for taking the debit risk of a world full of idiots.
Put all the momo's of the world on auto-liq and just let them roam.
Well see how well that one works.
 
Quote from GCSICLRBC:

Who's the one bitching over pennies? Sounds like you're the greedy one.

BTW, short-term interest rates are near zero, so many brokerages aren't making much "on the float."

Why are you so cheap, anyway?

Are you one of these guys who "Scalps" 7 points on YM? That's sad.

How much did you make last month trading? Unless you're a local who does 1,000+ R/T monthly, your parsimony is pathetic.

I'm happy to pay $9 R/T for service; then again I'll trade CL & ES doing day & position trading.

If commission matter that much to you, you probably shouldn't even be trading. Get a better edge.
:mad:

Not cheap, good business sense. Professional traders know that they have to control the costs of their business. No different than any other business person.

Why pay $9 RT when you can easily pay under $4 RT? Let's say I do 1000 RT a month - $9 RT costs me $9000 and $3.50 RT costs me $3500. I can't see any reason to throw away $5500 a month or $66,000 a year that belongs in my pocket.

Local don't do 1000 RTs a month, they do 1000 RTs or more a day. Traders doing big volume become exchange members to save a small fortune on commissions and exchange fees every year.

Bottom line is that professional traders wouldn't even consider paying a rate close to $9 RT.
 
Quote from Optional:

Why not just make it free?
Brokers shouldn't make anything for taking the debit risk of a world full of idiots.
Put all the momo's of the world on auto-liq and just let them roam.
Well see how well that one works.

Not looking for free, just looking for the low costs of electronic trading to be fully passed along down to the customer level.

Would be very nice if the CME cut their $1.14 a side fee for Globex trading. We need some real exchange vs exchange competition to make exchange fee cuts possible.
 
Quote from vrtrop22:

also why does my broker charge me 25 dollars to wire money when my bank charges 6!!! It's hard out here for a trader.
and why does my real estate agent charge me 18,000 to sell a 300,000 house when i can sell 300,000 worth of stock for under 10 bucks?
 
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