That is just disgusting. Peep gingerbread men?
Further blow to America's Farmers as TPP moves ahead
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That is just disgusting. Peep gingerbread men?
maga!
Let's use an analogy. In my divorce, I had the great fortune of having to deal with government parental evaluation. The evaluator committed perjury, I had proof of it and so it could not go to trial otherwise this "very well respected person" would get career raped (tariff). I got the result I was after, 100% (free trade.)
The tariffs are a bargaining chip as far as I can see. Temporary pain, for perhaps, true free trade in the end. Unlikely, given all the opposition he is getting.
I could not find an adequate hamana hamana vid to express just how confused I am by your analogy. I simply do not understand it one bit, lol!
But if somehow you thinking your divorce proceedings is in any way is a good analogy to Trump tariffs, well, then let me drop that tab with you man! Dude!
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I could not think of anyone else at this moment to ask...Do you guys have idea on how that analogy makes sense? If so, please let me know, as it has completely buried me backwards in space-time.
For your convenience, I spelled it out. Here is another way to think about it: leverage.
You're making a massive assumption that I don't think you're aware you're making. Sure, we'd all like China to have better control of IP, no-one disagrees with that. And sure, there's part of every trade agreement where the U.S., if you're looking at it from a U.S. centric viewpoint, could be getting a better deal. And sure, throwing up tariffs and starting a trade war is a way to try, operative word is try, to force the other side to give you a better deal then you have now. But guess what, there's a price to pay every time you start a war to achieve your objectives. And the price may very well far exceed any benefits you get, in fact it may far exceed any benefits you could get even if the other side capitulates entirely.
What you and the Trump supporters have completely and utterly failed to do is an accounting of what we have to gain from having the novel drain cleaner inventions of the world protected versus what we have to lose with a trade war. We aren't morons who don't understand leverage or negotiation or the damage caused by copying of U.S. goods. But we do understand the massive, sustained, and in many cases semi-permanent damage that is being done with these trade wars and we realize that it far, far, far outweighs any benefit. NAFTA was a prime example of this. After much bluster and throwing of tantrums, which resulted in me personally losing a significant amount of business in Canada, and us collectively as a nation losing billions, we ended up with exactly the same agreement except now U.S. subsidized milk can be sold to Canada, so U.S. taxpayers are now subsidizing Canadian milk drinkers. Make Canada Great Again!
I'll say it a final time, you clearly have not done any real research, read anything by those who have done research, or had any first-hand experience in this. Your inane comparison to your divorce just reinforces how out of your depth you are on this one. You really need to ask yourself why you're so doggedly holding on to this position that you came to with clearly no rigor at all? Is this how you approach investing? Is this how you approach life?
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The problem you have with being objective is you lost money on the deal. So you attack me repeatedly as if it affects me. I understand the pain you are in, but as you say it is a try. He may fail. And if he does, you can be happy in your correctness. If not, you can be happy otherwise. The idea that someone can change the world order against the desires of the current beneficiaries of the world order without being attacked is wishful thinking.
You've concluded that I'm wrong, that's fine. I want more free trade, so no tariffs, no subsidized industries. Is there anything anyone can do to effect this change in 2 years? Obviously, the answer is a big fat no. So I'm willing to wait and see. I'd rather be optimistic and fail than pessimistic and not try.
The truth is that it's special interest whiners like you who cause these absurd agreements to balloon. But more importantly (when I last looked at it) , major parts of the TPP removed sovereignty from the member nations. This itself should not be acceptable.
You've concluded that I'm wrong, that's fine. I want more free trade, so no tariffs, no subsidized industries. Is there anything anyone can do to effect this change in 2 years? Obviously, the answer is a big fat no. So I'm willing to wait and see. I'd rather be optimistic and fail than pessimistic and not try.
The truth is that it's special interest whiners like you who cause these absurd agreements to balloon. But more importantly (when I last looked at it) , major parts of the TPP removed sovereignty from the member nations. This itself should not be acceptable.
OMG! I cannot believe I am reading this? Are you serious? nooby, I'm out of here. Have fun storming the castle!
You're not adding much. Maybe you feel good about yourself but it just makes you seem childish.
On ignore. What a fuxxing moron. I have a lot of patience but this guy's comments get stupider with each post