FRuiTY explains the world to you

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fruity started this thread for a reason :D
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Very good point. Now, what was Fruity's purpose? Was it to change history by starting a chain of events? Or just to get some attention?

Either way, was it always "fate" that dictated his making the opening post? Was it my "fate" to make this response?

As "The Oracle" said in the Matrix movie, "you have already made the choice"....(or something to that effect).

So, I think Fruity's point is not so much about "cause and effect", but really about whether "fate" is pre-determined. Does the future exist? We know about the past and present for sure. Theoretically, the future does exist. But of course, this is in theory only. Tough one to prove, but again, not impossible to prove. At least not in theory:confused:

As for things happening for a "purpose", for me, this is not logical. But that may just be because I have a personal bias regarding this issue. My wife died when my son was 10 years old. I see no purpose. But then, maybe it changed him in a way that will affect everything for the better. Maybe the ultimate effect can be that he will find the cure for the cancer that killed his mother. Who knows? Anything is possible.

As for "God Bless America"...hell, it's only a song. It is the context of the words that determine if they are "offensive" (as in God Bless America, let's go kill some people we don't like), or conversely, there is nothing wrong with saying it if the meaning is that America has been a place that welcomed millions of immigrants with the sentiment: "Give me your tired your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

There is something to say for that concept. And believing in God (personally I do not) really has nothing to do with it . To me, it's just an expression.

Peace,
:)RS
 
Quote from FRuiTY PeBBLe:

i am going to start by DESTROYING a quote i HATE:

"everything happens for a reason."

oh man does that line irritate me. everything does NOT happen for some (god controlled) reason. however, there is an explanation for everything; whether YOU have the capability to determine that explanation is another story.

here is a great concept that EVERYONE SHOULD THINK OF INSTEAD OF THE ABOVE QUOTE:

butterfly effect: the notion that a butterfly stirring the air today in Peking can transform storm systems next month in New York.

here's my point: the world is a big, giant, chaotic MESS. you can make decisions, but even you DO NOT have total control over your own life. yes, some people are smarter than others, some people make better choices, but even they do not have complete control.

if you think what i say is not true, this is for you:

(i could start way before this, but i have to start somewhere) my grandparents existed. my parents exist. i am born. i have an interest in trading. i find elitetrader.com. i become a member. i decide to make this post. someone reads it. because they read it, their car trip today took place 3 minutes later than it would have if i did not make this post. the person causes a car accident in new york and kills a man and woman vacationing from china. their child's life is changed forever. there are many other repercussions of this event. although me typing a simple message like this was not the sole cause, it did play a role.

of all people, you TRADERS should know what i mean. although you think you're making a good trade, you know it can be ruined by one person out there in the world effecting the markets.

even though you can make decisions, you still can not completely control your destiny. you may not want to get into a car accident, so you don't drive a car. you may not even leave your house. but then an airplane could fall out of the sky and land on you.

do not get me wrong, your life is not totally out of your hands--but don't think it totally IS either. and don't say, "everything happens for a reason." NO, IT DOES NOT, PERIOD.

F. P.
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Fruity, your thread about old women told me right there that you are too young to know what you are talking about. No, that is not a slam, it is a simple truism. Live another 15 years or so, ( God willing), and then post this thread again.
 
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Very good point. Now, what was Fruity's purpose?
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before you guys start thinking you've stumped me....

SOME things happen for a reason. (could i list reasons why i started this thread? yes.)

not EVERYTHING happens for a reason. (is there some god controlled purpose for why i might die in a chaotic induced car crash some day? no.)

everything has an explanation. (if i die in a car crash, to some extent you could go back over the chain of events that led up to it.)

you may not be capable of completely figuring out the explanation. (if u were to examine the chain of events that led up to the car accident, fully, you'd see the amount of circumstances are just incredible. you probably couldn't even do it.)
 
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Fruity, your thread about old women told me right there that you are too young to know what you are talking about. No, that is not a slam, it is a simple truism. Live another 15 years or so, ( God willing), and then post this thread again.
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rofl.. true, i may be too young to understand liking old women. you got me there. but that doesn't mean i can't make good arguments for other subjects. i probably make better arguments than most people 3x my age.

p.s. and no, if i live another 15 years, it will not be god willing! :mad: :p
 
Many famous people cited as authorities in philosophy, science, arts, politics died much younger. Did they know what they were talking about then?

I believe Alexander The Pretty-Good died at age 31. And Jesus at 33. Mozart 35. Well, Mozart was a poof.
 
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