107 percent on 10,000 in a year? That’s about 44.5 dollars a trading day with trading one lots in the NQ (or any futures contract of your choosing). Futures are leveraged so talking about gains in terms of percentages is misleading (it also is for talking about day trading returns on a small account). Even with 1 lots in the ES in a 10,000 account you’re leveraged over 10x (over 20x leveraged in the NQ). Id bet dollars to donuts that CALLumbus could top that performance no problem.
“My first year of manual trading I took that $150K to $50K (broker theft) and on to 800K by the end of the year. I traded almost exclusively illiquid futures contracts at a time when there was absolutely no automation on those contracts. It was a golden era. Still, it's not too different from what I'd expect today. I've generally found that when I hire a new person with no trading experience I should expect them to make about $1K/day using max 25K margin after about 3 months of floundering. Of course everyone can't pull this off. During the interview process I pretty heavily screen for personality traits that I think are important for trading so I end up with people who can resonate with my particular, very risk averse, style.“ -garachen 2013 owner of a real trading company (not trading arcade, traders contribute no capital and pay no desk fees. They make their money trading)
“Strategies you can employ with <$1M vs $100M vs $1B are 100% completely different. Some of the same skills overlap just a little bit. Comparing 'return' from a small trader scalping vs someone doing stat arb with $100M or capital structure arb with $1B is completely meaningless.
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Outsize 'returns' on small accounts are possible because you are correctly identifying sloppy trading from larger players. Unless you are throwing around 100M+ it doesn't even make sense to measure return.“ - garachen
“Except under very specific circumstances traders don't talk in terms of return. The reason is that until you have lots of capital, $100M or so, your capital and risk are very disconnected.
I've never ever had a trader discuss their profitability in terms of return. It would be a huge tip off that they are hiding something.” - garachen
The best traders do not compete in Robbins World Cup so calling it the the world championships of trading is a joke. Imagine that scenario for any other competitive field. If Kevin Davey’s performance was so impressive why wasn’t he headhunted by the top algorithmic trading firms where he could end up making 7 figures a year with full benefits? Instead he’s selling books and courses. Why? Altruism? Lol no
@Snuskpelle i liked the first paragraph but not the second. Dudes been at this for at least 15 years (probably more like 20) I seriously doubt that’s the reason he’s a salesman (his growth is too slow cause he doesn’t use leverage).