French Gratitude

[iceman1]

Quote from lundy:

As far as me being homophobic, you are saying that I have a mental disease of being afraid of fahgots. I do not fear fahgots but I resent the fact that they openly try to convert young easily influenced kids into accepting their lifestyle. Why don't they keep it to themselves? Keep what? the fisting, felching, shit eating, anal stretching, aids causing activities .

and you think i am the diseased one!!

Yah, they do more than hold hands rs7. These people are lower than maggots, their bretheren that also eat shit. I really don't care what they do in private, but it is openly their agenda to recruit young people who at the onset of puberty may be easily influenced or confused.

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to the anti-americans out there. yes i only attended highschool, no i haven't fought any wars. That doesn't mean i can't fully support our president and our brave warriors and wish them victory over the evil-doers.

and by the way, in my previous post (which was edited by elitetrader.com) I didn't mean to infer your sexual orientation. I was actually inferring that you were the shiiit that comes out of a fahggots rectume, not that you were a fahgote.

Whew! Is "lundy" is one sick phuck... or what! I pity you and those around you lundy.. you're a real hotshot ain't you. No offense but you could benefit from some serious institutionalization bro. :eek: :eek:

And what's most disturbing is you are putting others down... and yet you have shown yourself to be much sicker than you allege some of them might or could be! But you don't f**king see that!

And I KNEW you never finished beyond H.S. and never served your country... I said that in my prior post! It was OBVIOUS! Read it over again.

It's my trader's instinct!

And you brother are a losing trade.... for America! Contribute zilch but put others down who contribute to the dialogue and offer cogent opinions albeit different than yours'... and call THEM faggots! Give me a break!

.... man do the world a favor... get a 'hooked on phonics' course Monday morning... and get a Rx for some lithium, stat!!

Ice

 

[Babak]

This thread is digressing from its subject in a major way. Please either return to it or start another thread for other topics. Thank you.

 

[rs7]

Quote from Babak:

This thread is digressing from its subject in a major way. Please either return to it or start another thread for other topics. Thank you.

Babak, in general, you and I seem to agree on most issues such as what is and is not appropriate. And when we disagree on issues, which we also do, usually on political topics, we agree to disagree, and we seem to respect each other's opposing viewpoints. And learn from each other.

But here, I think we disagree a bit too much. Since it was you that started this thread, "French Gratitude", what did you expect the topics discussed to be? Does it surprise you that the thread has gone straight to the real heart of the matter? That France, perhaps the very best example in the western world to exemplify what tolerance and intolerance can, as a national trait (if there really is such a thing) bring to the world stage? Are these topics not on the subject of this tread?

Certainly, you could not substitute "French Gratitude" with that of too many other nations. "Canadian Gratitude"? "Dutch?", "Austrian"? Even "German"?

I think France is quite unique in their arrogance, their lack of "gratitude" and their "intolerance", as any of us who have gone to France as a visitor has experienced.

So this thread turning into a running (and seemingly off topic) diatribe on intolerance does not, to me, seem so far off topic (if at all).

I know I mentioned this a long time ago in another thread. When I was first in France, I almost got into an altercation with a waiter in Cannes because he did not like the way I spoke French. Did not like my American accent. Yet in the other countries I visited, the people went out of their was to be pleasant and accommodating. And there was nothing less than a total language barrier. Yet somehow with a little effort, I was able to make myself understood. And so did they (the Germans, Dutch, Austrians, Italians, Belgians, etc. .....and I spoke not one word of their languages. But they TOLERATED me, and took the time and effort, had the patience to work out a way to communicate. And get along.

Not so in France. And so, I find virtually perfect sense in the flow of topics discussed here. "French gratitude" and "French tolerance" seem to be inexorably linked. And so "tolerance", especially in a wartime environment seems an appropriate road for this thread to have taken.

We have, in Chit Chat, touched on these very subjects in virtually every thread. Is this a good or bad thing? Of course, this is a subjective decision for you, as a moderator to make. Whether this particular thread is appropriate is up to you alone. But, given the divisiveness and the intolerance of us to one another over the war seems so pertinent to what we must overcome to really "win' the war on terror. Any discussion on tolerance and intolerance can only help us to understand what we are up against world wide (as well as even just amongst ourselves).

So France was a great example to use as a "jumping off topic" for any discussion of tolerance, and whatever else this thread has evolved into being.

Peace,
rs7

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Quote from rs7:



Babak, in general, you and I seem to agree on most issues such as what is and is not appropriate. And when we disagree on issues, which we also do, usually on political topics, we agree to disagree, and we seem to respect each other's opposing viewpoints. And learn from each other.

But here, I think we disagree a bit too much. Since it was you that started this thread, "French Gratitude", what did you expect the topics discussed to be? Does it surprise you that the thread has gone straight to the real heart of the matter? That France, perhaps the very best example in the western world to exemplify what tolerance and intolerance can, as a national trait (if there really is such a thing) bring to the world stage? Are these topics not on the subject of this tread?

Certainly, you could not substitute "French Gratitude" with that of too many other nations. "Canadian Gratitude"? "Dutch?", "Austrian"? Even "German"?

I think France is quite unique in their arrogance, their lack of "gratitude" and their "intolerance", as any of us who have gone to France as a visitor has experienced.

So this thread turning into a running (and seemingly off topic) diatribe on intolerance does not, to me, seem so far off topic (if at all).

I know I mentioned this a long time ago in another thread. When I was first in France, I almost got into an altercation with a waiter in Cannes because he did not like the way I spoke French. Did not like my American accent. Yet in the other countries I visited, the people went out of their was to be pleasant and accommodating. And there was nothing less than a total language barrier. Yet somehow with a little effort, I was able to make myself understood. And so did they (the Germans, Dutch, Austrians, Italians, Belgians, etc. .....and I spoke not one word of their languages. But they TOLERATED me, and took the time and effort, had the patience to work out a way to communicate. And get along.

Not so in France. And so, I find virtually perfect sense in the flow of topics discussed here. "French gratitude" and "French tolerance" seem to be inexorably linked. And so "tolerance", especially in a wartime environment seems an appropriate road for this thread to have taken.

We have, in Chit Chat, touched on these very subjects in virtually every thread. Is this a good or bad thing? Of course, this is a subjective decision for you, as a moderator to make. Whether this particular thread is appropriate is up to you alone. But, given the divisiveness and the intolerance of us to one another over the war seems so pertinent to what we must overcome to really "win' the war on terror. Any discussion on tolerance and intolerance can only help us to understand what we are up against world wide (as well as even just amongst ourselves).

So France was a great example to use as a "jumping off topic" for any discussion of tolerance, and whatever else this thread has evolved into being.

Peace,
rs7

Are you running for the position of Minister of Information for Iraq or what?

 

[rs7]

Quote from hapaboy:

And RS7, please, I don't think ALL drug dealers should be executed. ..........

I enjoy your posts and respect your opinion, but your approval hardly tops the list of my priorities.

All the best,
Hapa

Hap,

Glad to hear all of the above. Certainly I am not one to whom to look to for "approval".

And I am relieved to know you are not in favor of executing ALL drug dealers.

Keep up the good posts, and an open mind.

Peace,
Rs7

 

[rs7]

Quote from OPTIONAL777:



Are you running for the position of Minister of Information for Iraq or what?

????

I am totally confused by this response Optional. Not a clue what you mean

Rs7

 

[freealways]

>>Are you running for the position of Minister of Information for Iraq or what?<<

Optional, I don't know whom you are talking about there.

I do however happen to know of a Minister of (Mis)information but he comes from Switserland

freealways

 

[harrytrader]

It must come from Arabs or French of Arab origin who live in France. I can't see any french doing that kind of vulgar acts. I don't mean Arabs are vulgar by nature, I mean they have reasons to do so.

Now it's very interesting how medias brainwash people in every country presenting the others as the bad so that eveybody has the impression to be the good ones. Like Religions, it is just a pretext for wars for the INTERNATIONAL wars interests which has no country no nation to defend just profits. And we, for the majority, are stupid enough to fight each other instead of fighting this Maffia Interest.

Quote from Babak:

The US/UK/Canada and other countries sent their sons and fathers to die in Europe to free the French and other Europeans. And this is how their sacrifice is repaid:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003150899,00.html

 

[TGregg]

Quote from KymarFye:

April 4, 2003 7:15 a.m.
The Train Is Leaving the Station
Will our “friends” jump on in time?
by Victor Davis Hanson

. . .

As they say, read the whole thing at:

http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson040403.asp

Outstanding article, thank you very much KymarFye.

 

[KymarFye]

Quote from TGregg:



Outstanding article, thank you very much KymarFye.

You're quite welcome - VDH is one of my favorites.

There has been a lot of very interesting writing lately on relations to and within Europe. I recently ran across an essay entitled "Europe, Anti-Europe" by Collin May, on a blog called "Innocents Abroad." After an historical overview and a comparison of European and US attitudes toward the UN, international law, and economic policy, he draws some devastating historical parallels and reaches some very interesting conclusions:

...This brings Europe and European opinion into conflict with the US, in a manner not unlike the conflict that brewed between the West and the communist world. On this point, the most telling development is precisely the increasing attempt by the European media and educational system to misrepresent, distort and lie about the US, reflecting the pattern of lies that once dominated the Soviet Union.

Quite a charge - you have to read the full essay to get a sense of its persuasiveness. Anyway, he goes on:

Now I’m fully aware that all countries engage in a degree of propaganda, extolling the merits of the homeland while belittling others. However, it’s only when this practice becomes endemic, when it becomes a fundamental part of the national consciousness, that it becomes a danger both to the world at large and to the health of the nation itself. Increasingly, this is happening in Europe as regards the US. Europeans can disagree with the war in Iraq, and they can dislike George Bush, but what we are now seeing is outright manipulation of the facts in order to cast the US as an imperialist, racist and dangerous power where democracy and dissent are quelled, while throngs of starving and oppressed people live in poverty without health care or public assistance.

He goes on to tie it directly to Iraq war coverage:

This malady taking hold in Europe was evidenced in the example I gave in my last post, an example which shows that, no matter what the realities of the war in Iraq, no matter how much commentators must contradict themselves, the overarching goal will always be to show the unabashed evil which is the United States. This is a game which, thankfully, some European leaders are resisting, but it is one that Jacques Chirac, Gerhard Schroeder, and even the Christian religion, is now playing to the hilt.

Oh well, he screwed up the subject-verb agreement on the last sentence... but it's still a strong point... He drives it home later:

Today, the de-politicization of Europe proceeds apace, but with an increasingly political US on the scene, and lacking the Soviet Union as a counter, Europe is naturally attempting to define its non-political politics in opposition to the US. In order to do so, it must engage in the construction of lies about the US, both in terms of its domestic politics and its international role, because political realities are part of human life, and even the mighty European construction cannot overcome them.

The second movement I see occurring is opposed to this first movement, but also its logical outcome. This would be a re-nationalization of Europe, but one in which Europe’s anti-politics merges with each nation’s particular social and cultural traits to produce various strains and forms across the continent.

He promises to move onto this last theme when he returns from a vacation...

The whole thing's dated April 5, 2003 at:

http://innocentsabroad.blogspot.com/