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wjk said:
I think this comment pertains to carrying on one's person, or at least I'll answer as if it was. I agree with some of your assessment. Unfortunately, some people who own guns see themselves in that role (part time cop or something similar). Once a person feels empowered because the are walking around with a gun, I personally don't think they should be carrying one on their person. Carrying by citizens should be for self defense. Carrying should make you feel more safe, not more powerful. Others may disagree, but that's my opinion. I know people that I don't think should own guns for a variety of reasons, but do. I tend to steer clear of them.

With the gun genie out of the bottle in this country, I don't believe it is reasonable to ask people to become un-armed, because only the law abiding citizens would be dis-armed. While I am pro gun, I always advocate "responsible" ownership. I carry pepper spray along side my firearm in my vehicle, so I have a choice of force. I am a big believer in situational awareness, so it's unlikely that I will be surprised be a street crime, possibly giving me time to make such a choice while in the proximity of my gun. Even though I have a CCW, I actually don't like carrying on my person, though I keep an ankle holster in my vehicle should I need to (I do carry my pepper spray in situations where others would carry their firearms).

You may not believe this, but I would not have been carrying a firearm had I been at the concert (if it was legal to do so). I don't carry into restaurants, theaters, or even my friend's homes, unless I have their permission to do so.
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Folly!

You never know what you're going to need, how much and when... until you actually need it.... the basic principle of preparedness.

You're telling us that you "anticipate what you're going to need" and adjust your behavior accordingly?
 
Ya self defence isn't a human right. None of us have the right to defend our lives. We should just lay down when the rapist or terrorist walks through the door.
 
Scataphagos said:
Folly!

You never know what you're going to need, how much and when... until you actually need it.... the basic principle of preparedness.

You're telling us that you "anticipate what you're going to need" and adjust your behavior accordingly?
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Don't confuse folly with common sense or personal choice. No one can ever know how much force one's going to need. I agree with your first sentence when applied to my home, and am opposed to restrictions on capacity for that very reason.

Regarding concealed carry, we can avoid situations where activity might be more likely. We can be aware of our surroundings. Perhaps you like to be strapped at all times, and that's your right. I prefer not to be, though I always have a firearm in my vehicle and a way to carry on my person if I feel the need.

Would you walk through the most dangerous part of town just because you are carrying a gun, or would you go around? If you choose to go around, than you've anticipated that you have a lower likelihood of having to use your firearm.
 
achilles28 said:
Ya self defence isn't a human right. None of us have the right to defend our lives. We should just lay down when the rapist or terrorist walks through the door.
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that's a good one. We'll give you healthcare if you give us guns.
 
wjk said:
Regarding concealed carry, we can avoid situations where activity might be more likely.
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Obviously you likely wouldn't need your weapon when visiting a friend's home.

The terrorists like to strike public places where the population is dense and in a confined space... coffee shop, school, movie theater, restaurant, sports stadium/surroundings... that sort of thing. In a terrorist confrontation in one of those places, pepper spray wouldn't do anyone much good.
 
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Scataphagos said:
Obviously you likely wouldn't need your weapon when visiting a friend's home.

The terrorists like to strike public places where the population is dense and in a confined space... coffee shop, school, movie theater, sports stadium/surroundings... that sort of thing. In a terrorist confrontation in one of those places, pepper spray wouldn't do anyone much good.
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I understand your reasoning, but I'm referring to street crime situations. I would hate to have shot a kid brandishing a knife or unarmed and merely threatening that he has a weapon when non lethal force would have been just as effective (ever watch a video of how effective spray can be?). Pepper spray can be deployed just as fast if not faster than a hip or shoulder holstered pistol, or a pistol within hands reach in a vehicle with the spray next to it.

From the terror perspective, my view is that it is an odds situation. I almost never attend sporting events, don't do theaters because they are grossly overpriced, and don't eat out because I don't like eating food I haven't personally prepared (I know where my hands have been, and they are clean when I prepare food:)).

The size of weapons I carry in my vehicle, and on my person on rare occasion would be useless against several armed terrorist, or even one well trained one (unless I happened to be only a few feet away and unnoticed). That's just a simple fact. That was more to my point in one of my prior posts.
 
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wjk said:
I understand your reasoning, but I'm referring to street crime situations.
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I see. You're content to wield pepper spray in an anticipated situation where you "believe" the perp is not really serious about killing you.... "bluffing and intimidating", as it were.... just hoping to lift your wallet and watch.

What if you're wrong about that. THEN what do you do?

Agree, pepper spray is likely effective against a mugger. But what about the Islamic radical wielding an AK-47 or a semi-auto hand gun? Don't you think you'd be better served to "shoot before he does", if you can?
 
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