French Ambassador Attacks Trump

"our politicans"? Who voted for your politicians? If it wasn't you it was your neighbor. We have plenty of laws. Not just gun laws but immigration laws and EPA laws and who knows how many laws. You can't hardly do anything without violatiing some kind of law. You just have to know what kind of laws you can break without being arrested. And it helps if you contribute and support your politician. We live in a lawless society with thousands of laws.

True to a certain extent.
 
There is a country somewhere on earth, and a person in that country saying openly something equivalent to an interesting challenge against a particular group of criminals.

Challenging this kind of criminal group could probably seed/cause unwanted consequence to be carried out by the group members with certain innovative ways in order to accept and prove the smart Verbal challenge! :)
 
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Trump is an ignoramus. Citizens carrying handguns would likely have had little impact on the unfolding of events. These were all surprise attacks. The attack at the Carillion restaurant was blitzkrieg style with automatic gunfire and the gunmen immediately fleeing by car. Outside the soccer stadium was a suicide bomber. At the concert hall, even if someone had a handgun, he would have been facing gunmen with AK-47 rifles and suicide vests. He would have to have gotten up close to a gunman to shoot him. Perhaps an off-duty cop or a military veteran MIGHT have taken out one gunman before the other two would have emptied clips into him. And suppose the had been a sea change in the French culture some time ago and 1/2 of Parisian citizens were carrying guns. The terrorists would have planned and acted differently. They still would have found a way to kill dozens of people.

Trump just doesn't think. Or he assumes - quite correctly - that his supporters don't think.

France just isn't dealing with its radical elements properly. The only way to deal with a terrorist attack is to prevent it in the first place, not having citizens shoot it out with terrorists. Look at the US' handling of internal security following 9/11. NYC has very strict gun laws (Trump and his kids have carry permits). 3 guys with assault rifles could run hog wild before the police take them out. How many mass terrorist killings have there been in NYC since 9/11? Not one. That's because we put the radicals under intense surveillance, jailed them when we could, and deported several radical imams from Muslim communities.

Quite correct indeed!

We need to prevent fires in a civil (including establishing dialogues) and systemic way, rather than too busy in fighting fires that could be caused by ourselves.

Deming is right!

Winning a battle (systemic optimisation) is much better than winning merely a war (local optimisation)!

Q Love Your Enemies http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-39.htm
38"You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.' 39"But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40"If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.…UQ
 
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But.... what we all should have learned is that Gun control does not prevent terrorist attacks.
Moms Demand Action Inadvertently Prove Gun Control Doesn’t Work

Whoopsie!! Yesterday, the anti-gun group Moms Demand Action jumped at the chance to politicize the terrorist attacks in Paris, likening them to gun violence in America.

But that’s not all they’ve tweeted.

Earlier today, they shared a link to enlighten everyone on how guns get into Paris:

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The article from The Daily Beast says despite France’s strict gun laws, guns still flow through Europe and into the country:

France outlaws most gun ownership and it’s almost impossible to legally acquire a high-powered rifle such as an AK-47, so where did the weapons in the Nov. 13 terror attack—not to mention the bloody January assault by Islamic terrorists on the Paris office of Charlie Hebdo magazine and the 2012 shootings by a militant in Toulouse—come from?

The answer: Eastern Europe, most likely, where the trafficking of deadly small arms is big, shady business. And where local authorities find it difficult to intervene.

The French government and the European Union know they have a foreign gun problem. But as the chain of attacks illustrates, efforts to tamp down on the flow of weapons have, so far, failed to disarm terrorists.

Sorry kids, but Moms Demand just showed us all exactly how gun control does not stop bad guys from getting guns.

http://bearingarms.com/moms-demand-action-inadvertently-prove-gun-control-doesnt-work/
 
Moms Demand Action Inadvertently Prove Gun Control Doesn’t Work

Whoopsie!! Yesterday, the anti-gun group Moms Demand Action jumped at the chance to politicize the terrorist attacks in Paris, likening them to gun violence in America.

But that’s not all they’ve tweeted.

Earlier today, they shared a link to enlighten everyone on how guns get into Paris:

Screen-Shot-2015-11-14-at-6.17.55-PM.png


The article from The Daily Beast says despite France’s strict gun laws, guns still flow through Europe and into the country:

France outlaws most gun ownership and it’s almost impossible to legally acquire a high-powered rifle such as an AK-47, so where did the weapons in the Nov. 13 terror attack—not to mention the bloody January assault by Islamic terrorists on the Paris office of Charlie Hebdo magazine and the 2012 shootings by a militant in Toulouse—come from?

The answer: Eastern Europe, most likely, where the trafficking of deadly small arms is big, shady business. And where local authorities find it difficult to intervene.

The French government and the European Union know they have a foreign gun problem. But as the chain of attacks illustrates, efforts to tamp down on the flow of weapons have, so far, failed to disarm terrorists.

Sorry kids, but Moms Demand just showed us all exactly how gun control does not stop bad guys from getting guns.

http://bearingarms.com/moms-demand-action-inadvertently-prove-gun-control-doesnt-work/

"efforts to tamp down on the flow of weapons have, so far, failed to disarm terrorists."

Of course they failed. If you're intent on killing folks, why do laws against guns concern you?? All you do is prevent those who would legally own them and legally use them, perhaps in defense, from obtaining them. If you don't give a shit about the law, the law to ban guns means nothing! It just creates a black market.

No one ever accused these dopes of being too clever.
 
Trump is an ignoramus. Citizens carrying handguns would likely have had little impact on the unfolding of events. These were all surprise attacks. The attack at the Carillion restaurant was blitzkrieg style with automatic gunfire and the gunmen immediately fleeing by car. Outside the soccer stadium was a suicide bomber. At the concert hall, even if someone had a handgun, he would have been facing gunmen with AK-47 rifles and suicide vests. He would have to have gotten up close to a gunman to shoot him. Perhaps an off-duty cop or a military veteran MIGHT have taken out one gunman before the other two would have emptied clips into him. And suppose the had been a sea change in the French culture some time ago and 1/2 of Parisian citizens were carrying guns. The terrorists would have planned and acted differently. They still would have found a way to kill dozens of people.

Trump just doesn't think. Or he assumes - quite correctly - that his supporters don't think.

France just isn't dealing with its radical elements properly. The only way to deal with a terrorist attack is to prevent it in the first place, not having citizens shoot it out with terrorists. Look at the US' handling of internal security following 9/11. NYC has very strict gun laws (Trump and his kids have carry permits). 3 guys with assault rifles could run hog wild before the police take them out. How many mass terrorist killings have there been in NYC since 9/11? Not one. That's because we put the radicals under intense surveillance, jailed them when we could, and deported several radical imams from Muslim communities.

Trump panders to ignorant, fearful people who think guns make themselves safer when quite the opposite is true. Anyone reading this P&R forum can see how stupid some Americans are, and how proud they are of their ignorance. These people love to jump on every incident to declare that more guns is the solution. In reality, the best place to look at the results of gun control ( versus not ) is Canada. Right next door, some shared lifestyles and values, but very different beliefs and laws concerning social systems, gun control, health care, etc etc.

The results are there for anyone to see. Canada has much lower violent crime rates then the US. We also have better health care, better harmony between people of different races, lower teenage pregnancy rates, and the world likes Canadians far more then Americans ( Obama has helped somewhat on this but it's an uphill climb ).

Are we free of all violence and safe from all terror attacks and crimes ? No, not at all. It's just that our system clearly works better, and the US has the ability to take whatever good it can see and apply it in their system. Because in theory, the US remains very strong on economic fronts, and has to clean up it's social systems. Making the gun issue worse by arming more people is just a really, really stupid idea.

Current trends should concern Americans, because the economy is all you have right now to trumpet on, and that historic strength is waning according to many on this site ( probably overdone but it's what posters keep saying ). Nobody in their right mind in a first world country would want America's social systems, it's a mess that needs fixing. Your political system is broken, you have racially based tensions, millions have no decent health care safety nets, far too many citizens carry guns in public places, your jails are quite full, teenage pregnancies are much higher then they should be, and the wealthiest 1% are greedily taking more and more of the wealth of the nation.

This is not a slam on all Americans, you have been an economic powerhouse for decades, there are many Americans who truly want to be good world wide citizens and run a fair, civil country. But considering that wealth, your social systems are in incredibly bad shape, and the excesses like the racism seem totally out of place in 2015. Special interest groups and rich people are holding your country hostage, and reforms are slow to occur and rhetoric often suggesting backwards moves.

More armed citizens is one such incredibly stupid idea. It defies common sense on top of what unbiased statistics have shown.
 
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Your political system is broken,

Every time I see a Canadian write this, I laugh thinking about Rob Ford's greatest hits.

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you have racially based tensions,

Yeah, thanks to the Great Uniter and you liberal asshats in stirring up imagined racism charges.

millions have no decent health care safety nets,

Wait, wasn't Obamacare supposed to fix this?

far too many citizens carry guns in public places,

Says you. I says otherwise - so do statistics.

your jails are quite full,

You can thank the war on drugs for this success.

teenage pregnancies...

The complete and total collapse of the african american family unit. Wait, is it racist of me to say that??

and the wealthiest 1% are greedily taking more and more of the wealth of the nation.

The only reason you don't have this problem in Canada is because there's no wealth to steal. But yeah, it's a problem with the current administration just like every other one.
 
The answer: Eastern Europe, most likely, where the trafficking of deadly small arms is big, shady business. And where local authorities find it difficult to intervene.

The French government and the European Union know they have a foreign gun problem. But as the chain of attacks illustrates, efforts to tamp down on the flow of weapons have, so far, failed to disarm terrorists.[/I][/INDENT]

Sorry kids, but Moms Demand just showed us all exactly how gun control does not stop bad guys from getting guns.

The terrorists desperately need guns and supplies in order to maintain their power. Otherwise, new recruits would have no guns to carry for fighting.

They knew surely some politicians would support more wars and more guns due to their planned and planted evil acts! So that due to the mass production of weapons in response to their evil acts, they can get, of course illegally (otherwise how?), more guns and supplies for their terrorists acts in their future usage.

Imagine if the source of supply of guns to the terrorists can be under control (with built-in GPS tracking individually. Unbreakable, otherwise, the gun will be nonoperational, or functionally destroyed irreparably at all.), the terrorists storing mass number of guns located different from registers addresses could be under control and possibly diminish!
 
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