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[Ricter]

that fine... I doubt venus is hot simply because of co2.

it has clouds.. it has SO2 from volcanoes it has a much denser atmosphere, it is closer to the sun. it does not have govt paying for agw scientists.

"that fine... I doubt venus is hot simply because of co2.

it has clouds.."
It's clouds are CO2, not something else.

" it has SO2 from volcanoes"
SO2 is a coolant.

" it has a much denser atmosphere"
Because of the heat and lack of carbon sinks.

", it is closer to the sun."
But Mercury is much closer, and only "as hot" (but not on Mercury's night side).

" it does not have govt paying for agw scientists."
Nor does it have industry paying for anti-agw scientists.

 

[jem]

if you google it... some say the clouds are made of sulfur dioxide and sulfuric acid.

"that fine... I doubt venus is hot simply because of co2.

it has clouds.."
It's clouds are CO2, not something else.

" it has SO2 from volcanoes"
SO2 is a coolant.

" it has a much denser atmosphere"
Because of the heat and lack of carbon sinks.

", it is closer to the sun."
But Mercury is much closer, and only "as hot" (but not on Mercury's night side).

" it does not have govt paying for agw scientists."
Nor does it have industry paying for anti-agw scientists.

 

[jem]

so now you think a troll like you can decide that peer reviewed studies are not relevant?

if you don't like the study, you can download most if not all of the data sets yourself and explain why they are wrong.
its odd because none of the nutters are saying... that Salby and humlum are wrong about the lead lag relationship.

Its widely known... they are not the only ones who have found that co2 lags warming of the air or the oceans.

That study is not relevant. Why even bother showing this crap? You have no proof that CO2 always lags temperatures. Why must you lie? Do you have children? You have no science, just a crazed hatred of Al Gore and govt.

Rising CO2 levels ALWAYS cause rising temperatures. Do you know why? It's because CO2 is a GHG. You may want to find out what that is because right now you're just making yourself look like a raving lunatic.

 

[Ricter]

if you google it... some say the clouds are made of sulfur dioxide and sulfuric acid.

<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/AtmosphereofVenus.svg/800px-AtmosphereofVenus.svg.png">

 

[Lucrum]

if you google it... some say the clouds are made of sulfur dioxide and sulfuric acid.

Which reminds me. Just last year I was watching a show about comets on the science channel. (one of my favorite channels) Scientists have recently learned that virtually everything they thought they knew about comets just 20 years ago turned out to be wrong.

 

[futurecurrents]

so now you think a troll like you can decide that peer reviewed studies are not relevant?

if you don't like the study, you can download most if not all of the data sets yourself and explain why they are wrong.
its odd because none of the nutters are saying... that Salby and humlum are wrong about the lead lag relationship.

Its widely known... they are not the only ones who have found that co2 lags warming of the air or the oceans.

You have no science. Salby is not science. He's not even published. He's a fraud and an idiot.

 

[jem]

are you mixing up the atmosphere with the clouds...

not that this matters much... but I think you are confusing the atmosphere with the clouds.


is this guy really making this up?

when I clicked on 3 or 4 other links.. they all mention the clouds being made up of sulfur dioxide and sulfuric acid.

no one is excluding co2... but your description does seem to match the atmosphere overall.

http://www.universetoday.com/36871/clouds-on-venus/

Clouds on Venus
by FRASER CAIN on AUGUST 6, 2009
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Chemicals found in Venus' atmosphere. Image credit: ESA
The clouds of Venus are its defining characteristic. We can see the surface of Mars and Mercury, but the surface of Venus is shrouded by thick clouds. For most of history, astronomers had no idea what was beneath those clouds, and they imagined a tropical world with overgrown vegetation and constant rainfall. They couldn’t have been more wrong.

The climate of Venus isn’t tropical at all; it’s hellish. Temperatures on the surface of Venus approach 475 °C, and the atmospheric pressure is 93 times what you experience here on Earth. To experience that kind of pressure, you would need to swim down 1 km beneath the surface of the ocean. Venus’ atmosphere is made almost entirely of carbon dioxide, and not the oxygen/nitrogen mix we have here on Earth.

The clouds we see on Venus are made up of sulfur dioxide and drops of sulfuric acid. They reflect about 75% of the sunlight that falls on them, and are completely opaque. It’s these clouds that block our view to the surface of Venus. Beneath these clouds, only a fraction of sunlight reaches the surface. If you could stand on the surface of Venus, everything would look dimly lit, with a maximum visibility of about 3 km.


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The upper cloud deck of Venus is between 60-70 km altitude. This is the part of Venus that we see in telescopes and visible light photographs of the planet.

The clouds on Venus rain sulfuric acid. This rain never reaches the ground, however. The high temperatures evaporate the sulfuric acid drops, causing them to rise up again into the clouds again.

Venus spacecraft have detected lightning on Venus, coming out of the clouds with a similar process to what we have on Earth. The first bursts of lightning were detected by the Soviet Venera probes and later confirmed by ESA’s Venus Express spacecraft.

We have written many articles about Venus for Universe Today. Here’s an article about Venus’ wet, volcanic past, and here’s an article about how Venus might have had continents and oceans in the ancient past.

Want more information on Venus? Here’s a link to Hubblesite’s News Releases about Venus, and here’s a link to NASA’s Solar System Exploration Guide on Venus.

We have recorded a whole episode of Astronomy Cast that’s only about planet Venus. Listen to it here, Episode 50: Venus.

<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/AtmosphereofVenus.svg/800px-AtmosphereofVenus.svg.png">

 

[jem]

the troll calling salby a fraud and an idiot.

awesome.

You have no science. Salby is not science. He's not even published. He's a fraud and an idiot.

 

[futurecurrents]

the troll calling salby a fraud and an idiot.

awesome.

Yes, me and all the real respected climate scientists.

Only a deceptive slimey piece of shit like you would dare refer to Salby. But people like him is all you have.

I have these guys. They know a little about geophysical processes. Do you know what geophysical means? Of course you don't.


American Geophysical Union

"Human‐induced climate change requires urgent action. Humanity is the major influence on the global climate change observed over the past 50 years. Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen negative outcomes." (Adopted 2003, revised and reaffirmed 2007, 2012, 2013)5

 

[jem]

you are a troll.

the data is the data
the data exhibits a lead lag relationship.
co2 accumulation and dissipation lags change in air temp and change in ocean temps.


there is no doubt about that.
you don't need salby or humlum to prove it.

it has nothing to do with the messenger...
it is the message.

that you go after the messenger instead of the science shows you to be a troll.

Yes, me and all the real respected climate scientists.

Only a deceptive slimey piece of shit like you would dare refer to Salby. But people like him is all you have.

I have these guys. They know a little about geophysical processes. Do you know what geophysical means? Of course you don't.


American Geophysical Union

"Human‐induced climate change requires urgent action. Humanity is the major influence on the global climate change observed over the past 50 years. Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen negative outcomes." (Adopted 2003, revised and reaffirmed 2007, 2012, 2013)5