Freezing January for Easterners Was Not Felt Round the World

[wjk]

Do you think that before policy is made that all facts and science is considered and understood first? I mean, policy for something that doesn't exist is pretty silly right? OTOH no policy or weak policy for a large problem is similarly silly.

Nice dodge. I expected as much. Forget policy. What are you willing to do personally, beside cut and paste in numerous forums? Keep your house hot in summer, cold in winter? Are you willing to have one of those noisy windmills outside your window? You would rather it be on someone else's property, no doubt.

You know what I think? I think you are like the progressives who preach about their beliefs in AGW while they leave gigantic carbon footprints all over the place. Practice what you fucking preach instead of imposing your will on everyone else. That's the proof I need. Walk the walk.

Still waiting to hear how you practice what you preach.

 

[gwb-trading]

Mad rantings? Like the kind that virtually the entire world's science community agrees on? Someone's crazy here, and it's you and jerm.

Stating facts is now a mad ranting to the denier cultists?.
The following statement is fact...

The extra CO2 in the atmosphere is due to man. This extra CO2 is causing warming.

You must be very stupid if you do not understand that.

Bottom Line: You are a Climate Reality Denier aka CRD who posts nonsensical crud all over message boards. Face the reality:

- There is NO 97% consensus regarding climate change. The 'consensus' is around 50% and dropping every year as more information comes out.

- The earth has not warmed globally for 17 years. Even the recent IPCC report outlines the pause.

- All the IPCC models have failed to correctly model the climate - as stated in the recent IPCC report.

- The oceans have only warmed 0.06 degrees since 1960.

- CO2 level LEADS global temperature by approx 800 years.

So rant on with your crud...

 

[jem]

Wrong douchebag, and you fucking know it. The extra CO2 in the atmosphere is due to man. This extra CO2 is causing warming.

Why do you continue to lie? Can't admit you are wrong?

Don't you ever once want to consider the truth.... do you understand that since we are not in a closed system the level of co2 tracks the ocean warming an cooling.
look at the charts and info salby presents...
address the science not the messenger.

 

[stu]

Don't you ever once want to consider the truth....

look at the charts and info salby presents...

address the science not the messenger.

If you were considering what might be the truth you wouldn't still be trolling Salby around.
Looking at charts and info Salby presents is exactly NOT looking at the science. At least try to be logical when you don’t know wtf you’re talking about.

Salby has not yet provided any data published or unpublished to support the ideas he presents. That will be because the ideas he presents don't stand up to basic scientific scrutiny.

On the other hand, the data and science that shows the steady rise in temperature due to atmospheric CO2 as anthropogenic , overwhelmingly does.

 

[gwb-trading]

If you were considering what might be the truth you wouldn't still be trolling Salby around.
Looking at charts and info Salby presents is exactly NOT looking at the science. At least try to be logical when you don’t know wtf you’re talking about.

Salby has not yet provided any data published or unpublished to support the ideas he presents. That will be because the ideas he presents don't stand up to basic scientific scrutiny.

On the other hand, the data and science that shows the steady rise in temperature due to atmospheric CO2 as anthropogenic , overwhelmingly does.

What steady rise in temperature? You mean the pause for the past 17 years. Or do you mean the reality that the Medieval Warm period was warmer than the global temperature today.

 

[jem]

I you were to educate yourself by reading of the dozens of posts I have presented on this issue... you would see that Salby's info is consistent with this peer reviewed research paper I have presented to you agw nutters dozens of times..

The highlights of the paper are:

► The overall global temperature change sequence of events appears to be from 1) the ocean surface to 2) the land surface to 3) the lower troposphere.

► Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging about 11–12 months behind changes in global sea surface temperature.

► Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging 9.5-10 months behind changes in global air surface temperature.

► Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging about 9 months behind changes in global lower troposphere temperature.

► Changes in ocean temperatures appear to explain a substantial part of the observed changes in atmospheric CO2 since January 1980.

► CO2 released from use of fossil fuels have little influence on the observed changes in the amount of atmospheric CO2, and changes in atmospheric CO2 are not tracking changes in human emissions.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/...made-co2-is-not-the-driver-of-global-warming/

I will present the paper and the abstract next....

If you were considering what might be the truth you wouldn't still be trolling Salby around.
Looking at charts and info Salby presents is exactly NOT looking at the science. At least try to be logical when you don’t know wtf you’re talking about.

Salby has not yet provided any data published or unpublished to support the ideas he presents. That will be because the ideas he presents don't stand up to basic scientific scrutiny.

On the other hand, the data and science that shows the steady rise in temperature due to atmospheric CO2 as anthropogenic , overwhelmingly does.

 

[jem]

If you were to read the dozens of posts I have presented on this issue... you would see that Salby's info is consistent with this peer reviewed research paper I have presented to you agw nutters dozens of times..

The highlights of the paper are:

► The overall global temperature change sequence of events appears to be from 1) the ocean surface to 2) the land surface to 3) the lower troposphere.

► Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging about 11–12 months behind changes in global sea surface temperature.

► Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging 9.5-10 months behind changes in global air surface temperature.

► Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging about 9 months behind changes in global lower troposphere temperature.

► Changes in ocean temperatures appear to explain a substantial part of the observed changes in atmospheric CO2 since January 1980.

► CO2 released from use of fossil fuels have little influence on the observed changes in the amount of atmospheric CO2, and changes in atmospheric CO2 are not tracking changes in human emissions.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/...made-co2-is-not-the-driver-of-global-warming/

I will present the paper and the abstract next....

If you were considering what might be the truth you wouldn't still be trolling Salby around.
Looking at charts and info Salby presents is exactly NOT looking at the science. At least try to be logical when you don’t know wtf you’re talking about.

Salby has not yet provided any data published or unpublished to support the ideas he presents. That will be because the ideas he presents don't stand up to basic scientific scrutiny.

On the other hand, the data and science that shows the steady rise in temperature due to atmospheric CO2 as anthropogenic , overwhelmingly does.

 

[jem]

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818112001658


Abstract
Using data series on atmospheric carbon dioxide and global temperatures we investigate the phase relation (leads/lags) between these for the period January 1980 to December 2011. Ice cores show atmospheric CO2 variations to lag behind atmospheric temperature changes on a century to millennium scale, but modern temperature is expected to lag changes in atmospheric CO2, as the atmospheric temperature increase since about 1975 generally is assumed to be caused by the modern increase in CO2. In our analysis we use eight well-known datasets: 1) globally averaged well-mixed marine boundary layer CO2 data, 2) HadCRUT3 surface air temperature data, 3) GISS surface air temperature data, 4) NCDC surface air temperature data, 5) HadSST2 sea surface data, 6) UAH lower troposphere temperature data series, 7) CDIAC data on release of anthropogene CO2, and 8) GWP data on volcanic eruptions. Annual cycles are present in all datasets except 7) and 8), and to remove the influence of these we analyze 12-month averaged data. We find a high degree of co-variation between all data series except 7) and 8), but with changes in CO2 always lagging changes in temperature. The maximum positive correlation between CO2 and temperature is found for CO2 lagging 11–12 months in relation to global sea surface temperature, 9.5–10 months to global surface air temperature, and about 9 months to global lower troposphere temperature. The correlation between changes in ocean temperatures and atmospheric CO2 is high, but do not explain all observed changes.

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see that co2 always lags temperatue.


note you can find the paper for fee on the internet....

 

[futurecurrents]

Nice dodge. I expected as much. Forget policy. What are you willing to do personally, beside cut and paste in numerous forums? Keep your house hot in summer, cold in winter? Are you willing to have one of those noisy windmills outside your window? You would rather it be on someone else's property, no doubt.

You know what I think? I think you are like the progressives who preach about their beliefs in AGW while they leave gigantic carbon footprints all over the place. Practice what you fucking preach instead of imposing your will on everyone else. That's the proof I need. Walk the walk.

Still waiting to hear how you practice what you preach.

Not a dodge at all. What we should do should be dependent upon what is going to happen right? Can't put the science after the politics or policy. The science comes first.

So tell me how bad GW will become and I'll tell you what we should do.

 

[futurecurrents]

Bottom Line: You are a Climate Reality Denier aka CRD who posts nonsensical crud all over message boards. Face the reality:

- There is NO 97% consensus regarding climate change. The 'consensus' is around 50% and dropping every year as more information comes out.

- The earth has not warmed globally for 17 years. Even the recent IPCC report outlines the pause.

- All the IPCC models have failed to correctly model the climate - as stated in the recent IPCC report.

- The oceans have only warmed 0.06 degrees since 1960.

- CO2 level LEADS global temperature by approx 800 years.

So rant on with your crud...

Bottom line.

The extra CO2 in the atmosphere is due to man. This extra CO2 is causing warming.

You must be very stupid if you do not understand that.

You DO know CO2 is a greenhouse gas right?




And 97% agree. All the science orgs. None deny it.