Freedom of speech at stake

That's not what cons said for 3 yrs of Russian meddling investigations. They kept swearing that what they read online had no influence on their vote. So why the sudden butt hurt hipocrisy? They kept reassuring those worried about foreign meddling that we do it to them anyway and they've been doing it for years and on past elections. So if that's the case, then the "spooky" technocracy has done it in past elections by that same logic and thus acceptable.

If we are to apply the first amendment consistently then the alleged "Russian Meddling" would also be under the first amendment provided it isn't inciting violence/etc.

What you've revealed here is exactly why the dems are also pushing to dismantle 230. If they dismantle 230 then this spectre of "Russian Meddling" ceases to exist since publishers will be forced to censor the material.

I would be cautious - China is a huge fan of Beijing Biden and I'm almost positive China is doing some of it's own meddling. We'll see if the FBI does its job after November 3rd.

Both sides support repealing 230 for almost the same reason, the only thing that matters is which gets a hold of the new rewrite first.
 
If we are to apply the first amendment consistently then the alleged "Russian Meddling" would also be under the first amendment provided it isn't inciting violence/etc.

What you've revealed here is exactly why the dems are also pushing to dismantle 230. If they dismantle 230 then this spectre of "Russian Meddling" ceases to exist since publishers will be forced to censor the material.

I would be cautious - China is a huge fan of Beijing Biden and I'm almost positive China is doing some of it's own meddling. We'll see if the FBI does its job after November 3rd.

Both sides support repealing 230 for almost the same reason, the only thing that matters is which gets a hold of the new rewrite first.

Foreigners don't get 1st amendment protections . For reference, look at undocumented immigrants no getting due process.
 
Elitetrader does take an active role in moderation and most people would agree it allows for a cleaner experience and a viable business for Baron.

All of these sites have to take an active role in moderation for practical reasons. Section 230 I think was actually intended for internet service providers like Comcast and IDT (if you remember them) who weren't expected to monitor the lines for all traffic that went through.

Twitter has to monitor their site - otherwise it will get infested with child pornography. It will get infested with trolls that will make it a horrible place to visit. So the question is where is the line drawn?

This whole debate comes down to the fact that the President of the United States wants to state outright lies. Its not about anything else or anyone else. Andrea stated it in the OP herself. This is about supporting Trump unconditionally. Supporting his ability to spout lies with impunity.

If Section 230 is gone, its likely that Twitter will just ban Trump, all the QAnon posters, and all the crackpots (most of which are on the right). With it, many good posters and posts will be deprived of this soapbox - but Twitter would have no choice. Andrea will start another thread about how Trump (first) and Americans (second) have lost their freedom of speech because a private enterprise has chosen to deny them all access on their service.



That's not how it works. Defamation of character, libel, & slander laws apply to everyone, not just the press. As crazy as it sounds, Andrea Wylan could sue newwurldmn over the post that was made earlier in this thread. She wouldn't however be allowed to sue this site, because it isn't considered a publisher of content. That might be a different story if ET took an active role in shaping its published content like some social media companies.
 
Section 230 protected forums and comments sections on news websites. It was not designed with the ubiquitous social media we have now in mind. The level of influence and control the technocracy has over speech is unconstitutional for several reasons, not the least of which being that they each possess a monopoly over the section of tech they control.

It even goes to ads. If you don't comply with Google's draconian ad policy you can't advertise. This matters because Google is the defacto advertising monopoly and if, say, you wanted to sell gun parts you literally are unable to advertise on the only actual place where it matters.

A simple solution is to use laws to smash anti-competitive behavior and break the companies into several hundred smaller companies. This won't happen because the democrats are in bed with the technocracy and refuse to prosecute the laws they swore to protect. I guess we should probably start by recalling senators and governors under new laws that target people who are unwilling to perform their civic duty, and then go after the companies who have a monopoly.

Then there's the argument of the "public square". There are no current laws that cover this because prior to the advent of tech no one could really stop you from shouting your ideas with a megaphone in a park, and worst case you get trespassed from one or two places.

With the current incarnation of tech where social media has become so ubiquitous that it is essentially a "public square" the "its a private company" argument ceases to be relevant in all practical senses. The anarcho-libertarian idea being tried here is failing and the only reason you're not complaining is because you have far left views. They have what is called an information monopoly and therefore any idea they disagree with will defacto not be heard. You can make shitty one-off blogs all you want but even if your opinion is good, but dissenting from the dogma of the technocracy, your voice is effectively muted. This is a good parallel to being put in a soundproof box in the very park you were once able to actually stand on a soapbox and talk in.

Imagine how up in arms you'd be if Google wasn't a far left radical friendly technopoly and instead was a far right venue. Would you be upset when you couldn't use Telegram/Facebook/Twitter/etc because you got banned when you presented a different opinion on something? Certainly you would.

Now is the time realize that you're being played because of your political views and forcing these companies to break up, implementing "public square" laws for the internet, and enforcing the first amendment is probably the most important thing we can do in the next 50 years. Unfortunately no one wants to reach across the aisle to get it done. Certainly, this is because the censorship currently benefits the far left and lord do we know the democrats love suffering when it benefits them. We're reaching Brave New World levels of bullshit and frankly it should be terrifying. Perhaps if the democrats had more of that "empathy" they keep spewing bullshit about they'd see this.
Elitetrader does take an active role in moderation and most people would agree it allows for a cleaner experience and a viable business for Baron.

All of these sites have to take an active role in moderation for practical reasons. Section 230 I think was actually intended for internet service providers like Comcast and IDT (if you remember them) who weren't expected to monitor the lines for all traffic that went through.

Twitter has to monitor their site - otherwise it will get infested with child pornography. It will get infested with trolls that will make it a horrible place to visit. So the question is where is the line drawn?

This whole debate comes down to the fact that the President of the United States wants to state outright lies. Its not about anything else or anyone else. Andrea stated it in the OP herself. This is about supporting Trump unconditionally. Supporting his ability to spout lies with impunity.

If Section 230 is gone, its likely that Twitter will just ban Trump, all the QAnon posters, and all the crackpots (most of which are on the right). With it, many good posters and posts will be deprived of this soapbox - but Twitter would have no choice. Andrea will start another thread about how Trump (first) and Americans (second) have lost their freedom of speech because a private enterprise has chosen to deny them all access on their service.

I don’t appreciate being missed quoted.
 
For those of you who are Trump fans, or those of you who are fans of free speech, I thought I would share this clip with you. It’s from a woman that I follow and very much respect.

They’re going after Google and YouTube and Twitter to do an injunction for the free speech that’s been taken away in the last few days. And, to try to prevent these companies from influencing the election by suppressing information. This is critically serious.

There’s a go fund me page and an opportunity to help support what they’re up to.

If you’re not interested, please just ignore this. If you’re interested, take a look and see if you want to participate.

https://sarahwestall.com/emergency-injunction-stop-big-tech-election-interference/

trump fans first
Freedom of speech fans second
 
We are seeing utter bullshit from lefties... who may or may not be getting their lead from the DNC.

If section 230 protection is removed from sites making editorial and view point choices... these very successful businesses will return to the view point neutral moderation they deployed 4 years ago and more.

This whole shtick about fake news was their excuse to eliminate a significant viewpoints and contributors. Those who claimed the Russian collusion crap was garbage were labeled fake news and then it moved to protecting Biden from China collusion.

They don't deserve 230 protection and shill for the DNC at the same time.
Not in America... its got to stop.. otherwise we will turn into an Orewellian nightmare.


First they came for the conservatives....
Then they came for me.
 
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Elitetrader does take an active role in moderation and most people would agree it allows for a cleaner experience and a viable business for Baron.

All of these sites have to take an active role in moderation for practical reasons. Section 230 I think was actually intended for internet service providers like Comcast and IDT (if you remember them) who weren't expected to monitor the lines for all traffic that went through.

Twitter has to monitor their site - otherwise it will get infested with child pornography. It will get infested with trolls that will make it a horrible place to visit. So the question is where is the line drawn?

This whole debate comes down to the fact that the President of the United States wants to state outright lies. Its not about anything else or anyone else. Andrea stated it in the OP herself. This is about supporting Trump unconditionally. Supporting his ability to spout lies with impunity.

If Section 230 is gone, its likely that Twitter will just ban Trump, all the QAnon posters, and all the crackpots (most of which are on the right). With it, many good posters and posts will be deprived of this soapbox - but Twitter would have no choice. Andrea will start another thread about how Trump (first) and Americans (second) have lost their freedom of speech because a private enterprise has chosen to deny them all access on their service.
All social media companies set rules for using their platforms, and they moderate content whenever those rules are broken. There's nothing wrong with that. It's allowed under section 230. But that's very different from selectively enforcing the rules and using algorithms to drive content in the direction you want it to go.

I have no problem with social media companies making rules against posting links to unverified stories. They have every right to do that to suppress misinformation. But they have to apply that rule uniformly to everyone. They can't remove unverified stories about Biden and allow unverified stories about Trump, because then they're taking an active role in shaping published content.
 
We are seeing utter bullshit from lefties... who may or may not be getting their lead from the DNC.

If section 230 protection is removed from sites making editorial and view point choices... these very successful businesses will return to the view point neutral moderation they deployed 4 years ago and more.

This whole shtick about fake news was their excuse to eliminate a significant viewpoints and contributors. Those who claimed the Russian collusion crap was garbage were labeled fake news and then it moved to protecting Biden from China collusion.

They don't deserve 230 protection and shill for the DNC at the same time.
Not in America... its got to stop.. otherwise we will turn into an Orewellian nightmare.


First they came for the conservatives....
Then they came for me.
Jem, w/230 gone, you won't be able to post, not with this nick, not with the other half dozen that have been banned already.
 
All social media companies set rules for using their platforms, and they moderate content whenever those rules are broken. There's nothing wrong with that. It's allowed under section 230. But that's very different from selectively enforcing the rules and using algorithms to drive content in the direction you want it to go.

I have no problem with social media companies making rules against posting links to unverified stories. They have every right to do that to suppress misinformation. But they have to apply that rule uniformly to everyone. They can't remove unverified stories about Biden and allow unverified stories about Trump, because then they're taking an active role in shaping published content.
why do they have to apply the rules fairly (even if I believe your premise that they're being slanted which everyone's failed to provide proof of)? show me the law that says so.

Where's the outrage at right wing PACS which historically have had more money than dems pushing content that favors one side more than the other?
 
another baloney fear argument by here4dnc.

Nobody is saying 230 protection will go away for viewpoint neural moderation...
which is what Baron does here.

2... I changed nick and ceased posting on this nick and faggots (i don't mean gay, I mean faggots) like you got it banned. As far as I know you are allowed to change nicks here.

Years and years ago for one or 2 days I used a different handle because I did not know my password on a machine at work and I was using a different computer... I let everyone know it was me before it got turned off.




Jem, w/230 gone, you won't be able to post, not with this nick, not with the other half dozen that have been banned already.
 
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