Freedom of Religion gets the axe

[market_hacker]

Quote from ratboy88:

i think that most wiccans have been fooled... and i already read the wikipedia bit. if you care to delve a little more into the history of wicca you will see conflicts between what they think wicca is and it's true genesis. btw, they do worship The Horned God and use a variation of the pentagram. as with most cults the leaders have a better understanding for the true purpose. the lower levels are kept ignorant. if one goes back far enough you will trace their deity to the Light Bearer, i.e. Lucifer. their philosophy is in line with "his" i.e. that they are in control and responsible for their destiny. they control their "salvation". they are gods themselves. this is in direct conflict with christianity and the bible recognizes Lucifer as the fallen one.....the deceiver.

hollywood is making it fashionable to be a witch with all the little shows portraying hot young chicks saving the day. even modern wicca is only 50 yrs old.... although they claim that theirs is ancient wisdom. obviously we could debate the merits indefinitely and no one would give an inch so why don't we just stick to the 1st amendment argument.

Ok fair enough back to freedom of religion...

So if I understand you correctly, your belief is that wiccans do in fact unknowingly worship satan.

Furthermore, you believe that the founding fathers didn't mean satanism when they protected freedom of religion, and therefore wicca should not be protected.

Am I understanding you correctly?

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from market_hacker:

Ok fair enough back to freedom of religion...

So if I understand you correctly, your belief is that wiccans do in fact unknowingly worship satan.

Furthermore, you believe that the founding fathers didn't mean satanism when they protected freedom of religion, and therefore wicca should not be protected.

Am I understanding you correctly?

yes, you are right on the money. i am sure your wiccan friends are good people and probably quite moral. in fact there are different groups out there and some are open about their ties to satanism and some vehemently denounce satanism. but if one traces their roots they will inevitably come back to a philosophy that mirrors luciferianism:

*Luciferianism can be understood best as a belief system that venerates the essential characterizes that are affixed to Lucifer. It incorporates traditional Luciferianism (belief in Lucifer as a spiritual being) and modern Luciferianism (belief in Lucifer as the embodiment of wisdom, light and self-overcoming.

*from wikipedia

sounds a little like modern psychology's "human potential" enthusiast, huh?

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

"sounds a little like modern psychology's "human potential" enthusiast, huh?"

No.

You are entitled to your beliefs, but what does that have to do with the government denying someone the freedom to practice their own belifs?

This following is at issue, not whether Wiccan is a practice of worshiping Lucifer.

In the order, the parents were "directed to take such steps as are needed to shelter Archer from involvement and observation of these non-mainstream religious beliefs and rituals." The judge let the wording stand.

The state should have the right to tell parents that they have to follow mainstream religions and rituals while raising their children?

This judge sounds like a relic from Salem Mass.....

Quote from ratboy88:

yes, you are right on the money. i am sure your wiccan friends are good people and probably quite moral. in fact there are different groups out there and some are open about their ties to satanism and some vehemently denounce satanism. but if one traces their roots they will inevitably come back to a philosophy that mirrors luciferianism:

*Luciferianism can be understood best as a belief system that venerates the essential characterizes that are affixed to Lucifer. It incorporates traditional Luciferianism (belief in Lucifer as a spiritual being) and modern Luciferianism (belief in Lucifer as the embodiment of wisdom, light and self-overcoming.

*from wikipedia

sounds a little like modern psychology's "human potential" enthusiast, huh?

 

[market_hacker]

Quote from ratboy88:

yes, you are right on the money. i am sure your wiccan friends are good people and probably quite moral. in fact there are different groups out there and some are open about their ties to satanism and some vehemently denounce satanism. but if one traces their roots they will inevitably come back to a philosophy that mirrors luciferianism:

*Luciferianism can be understood best as a belief system that venerates the essential characterizes that are affixed to Lucifer. It incorporates traditional Luciferianism (belief in Lucifer as a spiritual being) and modern Luciferianism (belief in Lucifer as the embodiment of wisdom, light and self-overcoming.

*from wikipedia

sounds a little like modern psychology's "human potential" enthusiast, huh?

Okay, I think I understand better where you are coming from.

It seems like you believe that Satan is a very real force in the world actively trying to fool people into worshipping him (in the case of wicca) Is that true?

If so it would make sense that for you the idea of children being raised wiccan is actually just as bad as them being raised by some other form of unfit parent. (maybe a drug abuser or something).

Is this how you see things?

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from market_hacker:

Okay, I think I understand better where you are coming from.

It seems like you believe that Satan is a very real force in the world actively trying to fool people into worshipping him (in the case of wicca) Is that true?

If so it would make sense that for you the idea of children being raised wiccan is actually just as bad as them being raised by some other form of unfit parent. (maybe a drug abuser or something).

Is this how you see things?

not exactly. i just think it is comical to imagine the authors of the constitution/bill of rights witnessing a debate as to whether we should afford satanism 1st amendment protection.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

The same could be said for granting rights to slaves, children, women, etc.

Quote from ratboy88:

not exactly. i just think it is comical to imagine the authors of the constitution/bill of rights witnessing a debate as to whether we should afford satanism 1st amendment protection.

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

The same could be said for granting rights to slaves, children, women, etc.

well then hell, lets just throw out the whole damn thing....that's where were headed anyways.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Par for the course from you, an emotional outburst...

Quote from ratboy88:

well then hell, lets just throw out the whole damn thing....that's where were headed anyways.

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Par for the course from you, an emotional outburst...

actually i said it with a smile on my face.......sort of a whatever attitude. emotional outburst...LOL LOL LOL.yeah right. nice try

 

[Rearden Metal]

Pay attention to the method the government uses to confiscate our rights. At first they come after the unpopular & weak. Joe Public reads this news story, shrugs and thinks: "Well, it does kinda violate the First Amendment, but I don't like witches. None of my friends are Satanists or witches, so screw 'em.

And a couple years ago : "Well technically Jose Padilla is entitled to due process as an American citizen, but they say he's a crazy terrorist, so screw him. The Fifth and Sixth amendments don't really apply to those people."
Once Joe public realizes why he <b>should</b> care, it's too late.
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