Free Bright Trading Mid Year Workshop

Maverick74 · Aug 1, 2012

Here is a little trip down memory lane from 2006. Apparently I was giving him shit about that trade then too. LOL.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=63056&perpage=6&pagenumber=59

dolemitettu · Aug 2, 2012

Quote from BlueTurtle:

Don, I can tell you are a genuinely nice guy. I'm not a shill, since i'll never give you any money; however, i do think i can offer some good advice. Could you use some of that 12 million from your brother (?) and design a good website? It looks horrible. It's not even good for 1998. This is like owning a bank and the front of your brick n mortar is all garbage, spray painted, and crap thrown on it. they may be good and have money, but appearance is important. sorry if i come off a little too harsh, i say it with a smile, but i really, really think your business will grow with 50k pumped into a nice website.

+1

flip · Aug 2, 2012

Quote from Maverick74:

When I traded stock 10 years we had bullets and bullets were a real edge. When bullets went away, that was pretty much it for the point and click trader.

Hi Mav, can you expand on what "bullets" means? Haven't heard of that before in the trading context. Are you referring to decimalization? thx

gaj · Aug 2, 2012

bullets was a way to synthetically short a stock on a downtick. it involved a combination of simultaneously buying stock, puts and (i believe) selling calls through a one click process.

flip · Aug 2, 2012

Quote from gaj:

bullets was a way to synthetically short a stock on a downtick. it involved a combination of simultaneously buying stock, puts and (i believe) selling calls through a one click process.

thanks!

Don Bright · Aug 2, 2012

Quote from BlueTurtle:

Don, I can tell you are a genuinely nice guy. I'm not a shill, since i'll never give you any money; however, i do think i can offer some good advice. Could you use some of that 12 million from your brother (?) and design a good website? It looks horrible. It's not even good for 1998. This is like owning a bank and the front of your brick n mortar is all garbage, spray painted, and crap thrown on it. they may be good and have money, but appearance is important. sorry if i come off a little too harsh, i say it with a smile, but i really, really think your business will grow with 50k pumped into a nice website.

I have 2 developers who have done a lot of work to date. They're both willing to do all this for free, and I will likely go with one of them. Website is for information, and I've actually had several who are glad we don't try to wow them with all the cool web technology. However, I think we'll have something new and updated soon.

Don

marketsurfer · Aug 2, 2012

Quote from gaj:

bullets was a way to synthetically short a stock on a downtick. it involved a combination of simultaneously buying stock, puts and (i believe) selling calls through a one click process.

Fortunes were made by "bullet providers"

Maverick74 · Aug 2, 2012

Quote from flip:

Hi Mav, can you expand on what "bullets" means? Haven't heard of that before in the trading context. Are you referring to decimalization? thx

Bullets were "fictitious" transactions that when purchased allowed you to sell stock on a minus tick ahead of a natural short. Say there is bad news in BBY pre-market. The specialist would open the stock on a minus tick which meant all the market on open short orders went into a que. They would not get filled until the specialist let the stock trade on an uptick. The only people who could hit the bid were natural longs. A bullet holder was a de-facto natural long. He could hit the bid all the way down even though he had no long stock. The trader would then stop his position on the natural short waiting to get filled basically giving him a free trade. On "paper" he had a married put which is long stock/long put. So the exchange saw the transaction as him selling his long stock. The reality is no such position ever existed. It was an accounting transaction.

Firms made a killing selling them and prop firms made a killing marking them up to traders and traders made a killing shorting the stocks. They went away around 2002 or 2003.

flip · Aug 2, 2012

Quote from Maverick74:

Bullets were "fictitious" transactions that when purchased allowed you to sell stock on a minus tick ahead of a natural short. Say there is bad news in BBY pre-market. The specialist would open the stock on a minus tick which meant all the market on open short orders went into a que. They would not get filled until the specialist let the stock trade on an uptick. The only people who could hit the bid were natural longs. A bullet holder was a de-facto natural long. He could hit the bid all the way down even though he had no long stock. The trader would then stop his position on the natural short waiting to get filled basically giving him a free trade. On "paper" he had a married put which is long stock/long put. So the exchange saw the transaction as him selling his long stock. The reality is no such position ever existed. It was an accounting transaction.

Firms made a killing selling them and prop firms made a killing marking them up to traders and traders made a killing shorting the stocks. They went away around 2002 or 2003.

Thanks for the explanation! Must have been great years back then for these groups

marketsurfer · Aug 2, 2012

Quote from Maverick74:

Firms made a killing selling them and prop firms made a killing marking them up to traders and traders made a killing shorting the stocks. They went away around 2002 or 2003.

I had a connection with a fund that provided bullets--- it was easy and nearly risk free money while it lasted-- a real edge for our investors at the time.