Foundations of conservatism

[drjekyllus]

Quote from dsq:

In your dreams.Its a conservative pipedream and mantra.Look at the military today.Half of your tax dollars go to pay for for the military budget.Thats at a minimum half.

Actually the defense budget accounts for 21% of federal spending. Where the hell are you getting half from? In typical liberal fashion, dsq just makes up a number, throws it out there and expects people to bit. Get a life dsq, you are a loser and a liar.

 

[Mav88]

That chart only tells part of the story. Throw in all the state and local taxes for social welfare, the demographic trends with the coming big increase in the government health care expansion, and socialist programs will absolutely dwarf the military budget. Pre health care fuck-up about to happen, the conservative estimate for unfunded social mandates was about $50 trillion.

There is no real argument here, but yet people want to act as if the numbers don't exist. Why do liberals ignore the obvious?

 

[dsq]

Quote from Mav88:

That chart only tells part of the story. Throw in all the state and local taxes for social welfare, the demographic trends with the coming big increase in the government health care expansion, and socialist programs will absolutely dwarf the military budget. Pre health care fuck-up about to happen, the conservative estimate for unfunded social mandates was about $50 trillion.

There is no real argument here, but yet people want to act as if the numbers don't exist. Why do liberals ignore the obvious?

Yup and that chart doesnt include the pentagons secret black budgets etc...that includes the black helicopters-konw what i mean.Add that all up and you get 800+ billion.

 

[Mav88]

no they are not that big, you are just making shit up again like you have on every other post. Even if you assume that, social welfare still is a much larger problem.

Foundations of liberalism: 1) Gov't control and social welfare is the answer to all human problems 2) wealth grows on trees so just buy your constituency by taking it and handing money to people who don't produce 3) Diversity is absolutely good except for anything white western male, in spite of evidence to the contrary


At its core liberalism is bankrupt both literally and figuratively

 

[IShopAtPublix]

Yeah some of you people need to put down the pipe. US military budget expenditures (if we are talking everything going towards the military not just regular military budgets but cost of Iraq and Afghanistan plus treating wounded at Walter Reed, etc. are a lot larger than the "vanilla" military budget of 500 billion or so.

US spending on its military is not about national security, it is about imperialism. I would like to hear how admitting, romania lithuania, estonia, guarding taiwan, trying to get ukraine and georgia into nato makes me more safe. It does not. US military budget far exceeds that of any other nation and is greater than all of nato combined or all of nato+china+russia combined.

To support this monstrosity (and thousands of military bases overseas) you need a giant military industrial complex (the kind Ike warned against).

That is the essence of the moronic view of "small government" and "strong nationald defense" the kind of "strong national defense" that modern day conservatives/republicans refer to is inherently incompatible with small government/liberty. Liberty and empire are enemies.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from IShopAtPublix:


...US spending on its military is not about national security, it is about imperialism. I would like to hear how admitting, romania lithuania, estonia, guarding taiwan, trying to get ukraine and georgia into nato makes me more safe. ...

Expecting an imperialistic expansion down at the Publix are you?

Maybe you and the stock clerks could build a barricade of shopping carts like they did with wagons in the old west.

 

[HotTip]

Just ignore dsq. He's obviously trying to get a rise out of us.

 

[smilingsynic]

Quote from HotTip:

You're an idiot.

Conservatism believes in LIMITED federal government, based on what is in the Articles of the Constitution. Liberals, on the other hand, feel that the federal government is entitled to solve any problem, which means that they are unconstrained by the Constitution. Conservatism also believes in LIBERTY, some of which you surrender when obligated to work for the government by paying taxes. Conservatives don't mind surrendering some liberty through taxes, as long as it is meant to finance the limited responsibilities of government. However, when Liberals attempt to venture outside of the Constitution to solve every problem under the sun, it results in greater spending that inevitably leads to higher taxes and less liberty.

If you think what I described is a "fraud", then you must think that our Constitution is a fraud as well.

Conservatives and liberals are both for "big government." Conservatives prefer large and inefficient military programs, and liberals prefer large and inefficient social programs.

Even Ron Paul delivers the bacon to his constituents.

 

[drjekyllus]

Quote from IShopAtPublix:



US spending on its military is not about national security, it is about imperialism. I would like to hear how admitting, romania lithuania, estonia, guarding taiwan, trying to get ukraine and georgia into nato makes me more safe.

Huh? Liberals have to be the stupidest and most full of shit people in the world. We have listened for 8 years to your bullshit about how GWB did not care about what other countries thought and how he destroyed all these alliances and we need international support and blah, blah, blah. Now this uber-lib comes out and spews some utter nonsense.

 

[loza]

the "conservatives" like "preservatives" hate fresh ideas, fresh food. they wish to "conserve" the US Empire as it was post WWII. You of course know the plausibility of that one....FAT F'ING CHANCE especially being broke and the debt holder being China....

Quote from IShopAtPublix:

Even as a kid in high school I was wondering how you can combine "strong national defense" (euphemism for big military), small government and low taxes. The foundations of modern "conservatism" are utter nonsense.