For those that make 4 or 5 grand a day net

Quote from Pabst:

As a former floor trader, I have some poor habits that younger electronic bred traders don't. I trade levels (not pivot numbers). So let's say I have 94 as support. Ideally I should wait but of course if there's an uptick from 94.50 to 95.25, I'll think I'm not going to get my 94's (usually a 5 lot bid) so I'll pay 95 on 2 or 3. Rarely on 5 but sometimes. Now I'll keep my 4.00 bid in and see what happens. If they trade down now I'll have eight and if I really think they'll hold maybe I'll buy 5 more. In short it's possible for me to trade 50 cars in and out off one level while searching for direction so that I can carry just 5 or 10. If the level trades out I'm gone. They trade out a lot. I take MANY losses. I'd guess I lose on around 60% of my trades. I don't even flinch at paying .75 on 5 and selling them at .25 a minute later. It's a way of life.

Pabst

With multiple entries at various price points, do you still keep track of each and every execution? Do you just place full trust in the broker's report? As I work my way up, I find that "bookkeeping" is becoming a headache (My bookkeeping habit is from stocks and options trading where I always reconcile brokers' reports with my own records). I just wonder how you handle this mundane aspect of trading.

Thanks in advance. I read many of your posts here and appreciate your contribution.

Opra
 
Quote from Pabst:

As a former floor trader, I have some poor habits that younger electronic bred traders don't. I trade levels (not pivot numbers). So let's say I have 94 as support. Ideally I should wait but of course if there's an uptick from 94.50 to 95.25, I'll think I'm not going to get my 94's (usually a 5 lot bid) so I'll pay 95 on 2 or 3. Rarely on 5 but sometimes. Now I'll keep my 4.00 bid in and see what happens. If they trade down now I'll have eight and if I really think they'll hold maybe I'll buy 5 more. In short it's possible for me to trade 50 cars in and out off one level while searching for direction so that I can carry just 5 or 10. If the level trades out I'm gone. They trade out a lot. I take MANY losses. I'd guess I lose on around 60% of my trades. I don't even flinch at paying .75 on 5 and selling them at .25 a minute later. It's a way of life.


I do something similar to this when I have market delta signals that align with other factors I look at to enter a trade.....but my entries are continuous and "mechanical" in a predetermined zone until price finally moves one way or the other. I am in and out constantly at two tick profits with about 1/2 of my accumulated positions until I hit my first set profit target, or until I have achieved the profit objective of my first set profit target. If the market trades sideways in a zone for 10 minutes then I have normally accumulated enough two tick profits that I am well above my profit objective, and I now have the option to conclude the trade prior to ever hitting my original set targets. You can make a lot of profits in a 2 point zone in ten minutes when the market can't make up its mind where it wants to go.

Here was a trade Friday where I had numerous two tick hits after my first profit target was filled, but prior to my second target objective being filled......

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The market traded sideways after the first target was filled, so I stayed in my "mechanical" scale-in/scale-out method the entire period as I saw no evidence that the zone I was trading in would break. Eventually the second target was filled and that was the conclusion of the primary positions of the trade. I saw just enough in the flat "delta" to stay in this trade and wait to see if that second target could be achieved. I had left a few runners on for this trade but they did not really get any follow through right after the second target was hit, so I just flattened the remaining positions about two ticks lower than my second target price level.....trade now flat and completed.
 
Quote from let it run:

You underestimate the money you can make without taking on massive size.

If you trade Bund/Bobl/TNote with the right equipment and support, you can quite easily make $5k in a day with nothing more than a 20 lot riding at any one time.

If there is enough data coming out and Mr Rotter is doing something you have picked out, there are plenty of people that can and do clear $10k in a day with 20 lot trades and wouldn't walk away thinking they are an outstanding hero. Also, it is possible to do it scalping as well as swing trading- one size does not fit all

I suppose unless you have seen that world, it is a bit hard to believe or even know that it exists. This is not me trying to act up, I'm just telling you that you should have the belief that you can achieve big results- because you can.

Do you guys all trade from home? If so, I commend you for turning a decent profit without the speed/support/commissions that are offered at a bank or prop shop.

If you have worked yourself out a complete system (strategy, risk management, money management etc.) from working at it at home, you must have the ability to do a whole world more with the right environment and leverage.
I am curious, are you a prop trader trading these products? I am interested in pursing trading the Eurex interes rate products as you suggest.

nitro
 
Quote from jonnyy40:

Pabst,has your tick loss amount before you realise you're on the wrong side changed over time?

In the pit I used to "cannonball" i.e. add to losers until I either recouped my loss or went broke. My swings were ridiculous.

I now have much more confidence in my "levels" and I don't take it personally if a series of trades produce losses. Shit happens. I realize I have a positive expectancy so I just keep rolling the dice regardless.
 
Thank's for the kind words. Do you trade electronically or over the phone? I've never yet had a discrepancy on a Globex execution. But yes, no matter how depressing, I read my statement each morning.
Quote from Opra:

Pabst

With multiple entries at various price points, do you still keep track of each and every execution? Do you just place full trust in the broker's report? As I work my way up, I find that "bookkeeping" is becoming a headache (My bookkeeping habit is from stocks and options trading where I always reconcile brokers' reports with my own records). I just wonder how you handle this mundane aspect of trading.

Thanks in advance. I read many of your posts here and appreciate your contribution.

Opra
 
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