For my Christians Friends

[volente_00]

from your friend Voltaire


"You see many stars at night in the sky but find them not when the sun rises; can you say that there are no stars in the heaven of day? So, O man! because you behold not God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God."

 

[volente_00]

Quote from DerekD:

But what are those expectations based on? Taking the example of the nuclear reactor, the expectation was not based on any belief, but rather something tangible and testable. Look up the history of how humans came to understand the atom all the way up to fusion. It was brick by brick. Observation compounded by observation.

And the belief that there was an atom, thousands of years before it could be seen ? Concepts always start as a thought or belief and through self discovery they manifest into more through known technology and observation.

If there is a higher power , then by reason it would have to be larger than our universe. Can present day science test outside of our universe ?

 

[volente_00]

Quote from DerekD:

That's called divine intervention. Cornerstone of every religion.

You really need to study, at least in brief, all the world's religions. In many ways you are arguing against them while trying to argue against atheists.

I was kind of surprised that you didn't recognize the Gideon story in my example of a test for god(s).

Here, read Judges 6. If you just want to get to the example of wet fleece/ dry fleece, see verses 36-40.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=6

It's an example of a miracle and divine intervention.

Where have I ever said I am a theist who reads the bible ?

 

[TraderZones]

Quote from stu:

Why all the vitriol? Why are you so angry? All that emotion!! Is it the Christian in you?
Take a pill dude.

Your posts hardly paint a picture of an unemotional zombat...

 

[Turok]

V00:
>I personally don't know of anyone who
>actually prays for supernatural things to happen.
>Do you ?

Me:
>You're joking. By definition, when someone prays to
>supernatual entity with a request they are praying for
>supernatural things to happen.


V00:
>So if I am a farmer and I pray to a higher power for rain
>to come so my crop does not burn up, how does that fit
>into your supernatural thing to happen category ?

LOL ... can you be this clueless? Really? If you do the above, you just prayed for supernatural things to happen. You have asked the supernatual higher power to intervene in the natural order of things (the very definition of "supernatural") and produce rain not normally produced.

DUH!!

>You people are so damn wrapped up in being right
>that you are blind to the facts.

The fact in this scenario is that you prayed for supernatural things to happen.

JB

 

[Turok]

Quote from volente_00:

Where have I ever said I am a theist who reads the bible ?

Apparently you haven't read much of anything regarding the worlds major religions considering the incredibly ignorant comments you make regarding them.

Now, I don't really care if you are familiar with them or not, just expect a bunch of laughter when you say things to the effect of ... "people don't pray for supernatural things to happen".

LOL

JB

 

[stu]

Quote from TraderZones:

Quote from stu:

Why all the vitriol? Why are you so angry? All that emotion!! Is it the Christian in you?
Take a pill dude.

Your posts hardly paint a picture of an unemotional zombat...

So what? Why are you not addressing the issue raised?

It is more likely Max Planck would have walked from religion , never from science. That's the opposite of what you decided on his behalf he would do .His words you cut&pasted suggest you are wrong.

For a self proclaimed christian like yourself with supposedly 3 degrees in science/engineering, your response above is hardly intelligent nor adult.

What is the problem with so called "believers" that cannot hold a rational thought for more than 30 seconds.
Is it the irrational habits religion dumbs you down into?

 

[stu]

Quote from volente_00:


More gibberish again ?

You word play is poor at best. So how bout I have expectations and predictions that I will live eternally in heaven. Or have expectations and predictions that a higher power exists out there ?

Compared to expectations and predictions for atoms and nuclear power
......you would be very greatly disillusioned.

Quote from volente_00:

I still await for you to describe your simple test for existence.
In the mean time, feel free to take this one to see how smart an atheist you really are.

My test is an honest one, but you can't even understand it past "gibberish". That says a lot by itself.

Are you really that lost for words and ideas, just like your link when the honest option is selected.

 

[stu]

Quote from I am...:

The meaning of love is found in wholeness, oneness, equality, and the giving of everything without withholding even one gift. Love cannot be limited. God loves all equally, and gives all to all. This world arises on the idea of special love, something God does not give because it destroys the meaning of love. It is the "lust" after something that is owned exclusively. It's the "+1" in Stu terminology.


[....]

Jesus

I hadn't realized Gilbert has had such a resounding and recurring effect on your thinking Iam.
Your philosophy, up to here, though luverly as a hippy's is , unsurprisingly is flawed.

By your explanations you say Love cannot be limited.
Then it is wanting of something that it cannot be.
So then is God.

Now as for Gilbert on the other hand!

kiss me dude
stu.

 

[stu]

Quote from volente_00:

And the belief that there was an atom, thousands of years before it could be seen ? Concepts always start as a thought or belief and through self discovery they manifest into more through known technology and observation.

If there is a higher power , then by reason it would have to be larger than our universe. Can present day science test outside of our universe ?

Hold it right there volente, you said it all at that point!!

So indeed, belief nor faith is requisite.