For all the moral equivalence-hampered moonbats

[dddooo]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

No, we would not have oil, they would.

Neocons getting a woody just at the thought of oil and bases to protect Israel...too much.

You're right of course, that was a bad choice of words. They would have oil and we would finally have a true democratic oil-rich ally in the middle-east. Of course free democratic Kurdistan which is a strong ally of the US and the West is a nightmare scenario for Ahmadinejad/Stalin/Chavez/Hamas loving anti-western lunatic like you.

PS Israel does not need american bases in Kurdistan to be protected.

 

[Dr. Zhivodka]

Yes we have quite staunch allies in Turkey, whom we've fucked over many times the latest of which is the Kurd fiasco...notwithstanding our jewel there...Incirlik

Quote from dddooo:

....we'd have staunch allies, military bases and oil in Kurdistan, the Kurds would finally have their own country and shia and sunni would keep killing each other just like they've been doing for the last thousand years and just like they will be doing in the future anyway regardless of whether Iraq is partitioned.

 

[dddooo]

Quote from Dr. Zhivodka:

Yes we have quite staunch allies in Turkey, whom we've fucked over many times the latest of which is the Kurd fiasco...notwithstanding our jewel there...Incirlik

While I never supported the war in Iraq it's still important to remember that Turkey refused to help us during the invasion (some allies, huh?). Who knows how many lives of our soldiers could have been preserved if they cooperated. Given that, I am not terribly concerned that they may not consider an independent Kurdistan to be in their best interests.

 

[Dr. Zhivodka]

Well you are in good company because I never supported this war either. I remember quite well when Turkey refused to allow an Army Div to ingress to Iraq from the north. Their Kurd worries weren't too much of a concern to the Jacobian's in this administrations.

You may not be overly concerned about the feelings of Turkey...I however believe that their feeling are as important, in terms of American interest in the region, if not more so than that of Israel

Quote from dddooo:

While I never supported the war in Iraq it's still important to remember that Turkey refused to help us during the invasion. Who knows how many lives of our soldiers could have been preserved if they cooperated. Given that, I am not terribly concerned that they may not consider an independent Kurdistan to be in their best interests.

 

[dddooo]

Quote from Dr. Zhivodka:

I however believe that their feeling are as important, in terms of American interest in the region, if not more so than that of Israel

Turkey is indeed a very important ally in the region (except that they did not come through when it counted). But assuming that they could be replaced with Kurdistan as the primary ally in the region the value of our alliance with Turkey would be significantly diminished. In fact having two allies in the region hating each other and competing with each other for american friendship can be a very good thing from a purely pragmatic realpolitik point of view.

Another factor to keep in mind - Turkey needs us no less and probably more than we need them. They need us to achieve their objective of joining the EU, they need us for protection from Iran and the Arab world and they certainly need us for protection from their old foe, Russia which has been flexing its military muscles lately.

Just my $0.02 worth.

 

[Dr. Zhivodka]

Good thoughts all...

But IMO Turkey can not be replaced with a "Kurdistan." There's WAY too much infrastructure and existing personal in Adana than can ever be practically replicated in an imaginary "Kurdistan."

And I don't believe Turkey is least bit worried about being admitted into the EU anymore. They've long since given up the hope that that Europe would shed it's parochialism and do the smart thing by allowing them into the EU. Which is exactly one of the reasons that they've become more Islamic in recent years. Dumb fuxxing Euro's

Yet I agree that it's inevitable that there will be an independent Kurdistan even if it means that America will "misguidedly" betray our ally in Turkey to make it so.

Quote from dddooo:

Turkey is indeed a very important ally in the region (except that they did not come through when it counted). But assuming that they could be replaced with Kurdistan as the primary ally in the region the value of our alliance with Turkey would be significantly diminished. In fact having two allies in the region competing with each other for american friendship can be a very good thing from a purely pragmatic realpolitik point of view.

Another factor to keep in mind - Turkey needs us no less and probably more than we need them. They need us to achieve their objective of joining the EU and they certainly need us for protection from Russia which has been flexing its military muscles lately.

Just my $0.02 worth.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

"You're right of course, that was a bad choice of words."

Get real, it was a Freudian slip.

Quote from dddooo:

You're right of course, that was a bad choice of words. They would have oil and we would finally have a true democratic oil-rich ally in the middle-east. Of course free democratic Kurdistan which is a strong ally of the US and the West is a nightmare scenario for Ahmadinejad/Stalin/Chavez/Hamas loving anti-western lunatic like you.

PS Israel does not need american bases in Kurdistan to be protected.

 

[acronym]

Quote from Dr. Zhivodka:

Good thoughts all...

But IMO Turkey can not be replaced with a "Kurdistan." There's WAY too much infrastructure and existing personal in Adana than can ever be practically replicated in an imaginary "Kurdistan."

And I don't believe Turkey is least bit worried about being admitted into the EU anymore. They've long since given up the hope that that Europe would shed it's parochialism and do the smart thing by allowing them into the EU. Which is exactly one of the reasons that they've become more Islamic in recent years. Dumb fuxxing Euro's

Yet I agree that it's inevitable that there will be an independent Kurdistan even if it means that America will "misguidedly" betray our ally in Turkey to make it so.

The argument is preposterous, though you may be right about not giving a crap, no country actually does.

Obviously, allowing an islamic nation, one at the forefront of a thousand years of struggle, with an appalling human rights record to simply "join" a cozy co-op makes perfect sense, maybe it does economically.

And that's what counts.

 

[FanOfFridays]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

"You're right of course, that was a bad choice of words."

Get real, it was a Freudian slip.

Something like when you suggested that another ET member's kids be threatened with pedophilic rape, and then later said it was all 'just a joke'?

Another howler from ET's resident queen of moral relativism, who has, in the last year, suggested that when a young woman was caught flirting with a young man, and subsequently buried in the sand up to her neck and then stoned to death, that was okay, because it was the 'custom' of the clerics who were doing the stoning.

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from WAEL012000:

Just one question hapaboy.....You still support the war????

I support not abandoning the country to utter chaos and barbarity, the likes of which will make the current situation seem like a minor traffic fender bender.

It's so interesting to me that the Left, the supposed party of taking-care-of-your-fellow-man, is fine with the prospect of hundreds of thousands if not millions of Iraqis being massacred.

I'm with Petraeus, the guy who, you know, the Dems overwhelmingly approved of taking charge and reporting on the conditions there. Unfortunately, when he came back and didn't report what he wanted them to report - that we should just hightail it the fuck out of there - they stabbed him in the back and sicked their MoveOn jackals on him and made their best attempt to assassinate his character.

I know, that makes me a (gasp!) warmonger, betrayer, Zionist tool, etc. You can't imagine how much sleep I lose at night over that...