food riots by 2012?

Quote from apak:

You do not understand the Chinese, and neither does your bellowed Bush who you voted for.....admit it

You don't seem to grasp the power of numbers.

Let's see, 300MM Americans against 1T Chinese.

We're not the threat to their government, they're people are.

Let enough of them taste a bit of the "good" life, let enough of them start to think they "deserve" it and that government is screwed for good.
 
Quote from jprad:

You don't seem to grasp the power of numbers.

Let's see, 300MM Americans against 1T Chinese.

We're not the threat to their government, they're people are.

Let enough of them taste a bit of the "good" life, let enough of them start to think they "deserve" it and that government is screwed for good.

Total true.

It is their consumers who will drive things.

Unless, afghanistan-pakistan is mismanaged.
 
Quote from rothschild:

It all depend what the military who are not reformist, want.

For now the group who surround Jintao doesn't feel psychotic or angry.
They won't provoke US into being drawn into hell, they'll just push it to behave more responsibly.

For exemple, more regulation to avoid people buying a house in suburban area away from public transportation and freight trains, where water is scarced or hurricane are frequent.

I think rather than "push" us, they'll just sell us enough rope to hang ourselves economically with.

By that I mean that we are dependent on them now for many manufactured goods, and dependent on them to lend us more and more money to support our idiotic spending on wars, stimulus, pork, and benefits not saved for. As time goes by, and the debt rises to intolerable levels, the rates will eventually rise, and the interest on the debt will choke off whatever is left here.
 
Quote from TraderZones:

No, but you do an amazing job of coming off as ignorant

Between you and Jpad, there's not a brain cell to rub together.

Have fun with your open borders!
 
Quote from jprad:

Once again, you're off base.

I guess it's that conspiracy-theorist-guide-to-the-world view that you've subscribed to.

The Constution's central tenant was to control the power of the central government.

As for elitism. You need to check your history. The only ones who could vote for the longest while when this country was first formed where those who owned their land free and clear of debt.

Personally, we fucked that one up as well.

LOL.

Thats what an Autocratic Takeover is, numbnuts.

And who do you think would install a Tyranny?? The poor and destitute?!! :D

Prior to 1913, Washington, Jackson and Jefferson fought tooth-and-nail to keep Central Banks out of the US. In fact, that was the primary reason Lincoln was assassinated.

But I suppose you already knew that?

You clearly haven't read the Federalist Papers, or writings of the Founders. The entire Spirit of the Constitution was forged to prevent an Elite Minority from wresting control of Government and installing a Tyranny. Thats what history is all about. Go read about Central Banking in the US prior to 1913. Many of the Founders thought Central Banks to be a greater threat to Liberty than any standing army. But I suppose you know better than they :D

Demonstrating means as a prerequisite to voting was actually a good thing. It meant the slothful and ignorant couldn't vote themselves a handout. Like we've seen for the past 100 years.
 
You know you're in trouble when the slothful vote themselves a handout. It has an almost haiku quality to it.

I'm not really convinced it's the slothful who borrow money from the Chinese to buy oil from the Arabs and consumer goods from Korea. I'm not convinced it's the slothful who start wars abroad - busy as they are with securing their handouts. Finally, I'm not really sure it's the slothful who pushed you into oil dependency and who has downplayed environmental threats and pulled funding from research into alternative and sustainable energy.

I think the slothful realise that the easiest road - and after all the slothful are all about easy - would be utilising the power and might of the richest and most advanced country in the world and come up with an alternative to oil. After all, oil won't last forever, it has a way of hiding in troubled regions and being oil's bitch has resurrected old enemies and bankrupted your once great nation. It's also detroying the planet. Come to think of it, only the precious few with ties to the oil industry - who's the one and only benefactor of this idiocy along with psycho nations - would lead the US on it's recent path.

I say hail to the slothful! Give them not only their handouts but also the key to the vault, executive power and the briefcase with the nuke launch button.

The slothful rule! Slothful! Slothful!
 
Quote from achilles28:

Prior to 1913, Washington, Jackson and Jefferson fought tooth-and-nail to keep Central Banks out of the US. In fact, that was the primary reason Lincoln was assassinated.

When Lincoln took office there was no central bank. It was the era of free banking, which came about after Jackson had destroyed the 2nd Bank of the US starting in 1833. It's charter ended in 1836 and it folded 5 years later.

Free banking ran at the state level, there was no federal banking system, and it was a complete mess. To fund the war Lincoln signed the National Bank Act into law in 1863, and a second time in 1864.

It was a federally regulated central banking system that Lincoln enacted.

He was assassinated a year later and his National Bank Act stood until the panic of 1907, which eventually led to the creation of the Fed in 1913.
 
Quote from thriftybob:

I think rather than "push" us, they'll just sell us enough rope to hang ourselves economically with.

By that I mean that we are dependent on them now for many manufactured goods, and dependent on them to lend us more and more money to support our idiotic spending on wars, stimulus, pork, and benefits not saved for. As time goes by, and the debt rises to intolerable levels, the rates will eventually rise, and the interest on the debt will choke off whatever is left here.

The replies on the prior page, although not to my comment, demonstrate some of the reasons why China needs do nothing and we'd still hang ourselves financially.

On the one hand we have those who were supposed to be conservative who spoon fed the masses dependency on cheap goods and oil from abroad, and on the other the slothful, who will now solve it by borrowing more to hand out to the dependent masses until there is nothing left to argue over.
 
Quote from jprad:

When Lincoln took office there was no central bank. It was the era of free banking, which came about after Jackson had destroyed the 2nd Bank of the US starting in 1833. It's charter ended in 1836 and it folded 5 years later.

Free banking ran at the state level, there was no federal banking system, and it was a complete mess. To fund the war Lincoln signed the National Bank Act into law in 1863, and a second time in 1864.

It was a federally regulated central banking system that Lincoln enacted.

He was assassinated a year later and his National Bank Act stood until the panic of 1907, which eventually led to the creation of the Fed in 1913.

Another dodge.

Your misguided logic leads to conclusions that are refuted by the very authors you portend to learn from!

The Founders were all about warding off Tyranny by a powerful elite, and said so. Yet, when confronted with the facts, you ignore your original statement and move on to the next, nit picking comment that holds little value except underscoring your myopic need to be right....about something. Anything.

Okay. Lincoln.

Lincoln thumbed his nose at the International Bankers when they wanted 25% juice to finance the Civil War. Instead he printed debt-free Greenbacks.

To wit, the London Times, mouthpiece to the Throne of International Bankers, warned America would eclipse Britain in wealth, military and intellectual might if allowed to persist in the printing of debt-free currency.

Further, Otto Von Bismark surmised the division of the United States was conceived and promoted by the Bankers to weaken the American Republic and implied his death was at their hands.

The National Banking Act was ratified by Lincoln as a concession to Bankers
to accept the Green-back Policy, and the need to create more Green-backs, to begin with!

It was a pawn-sacrifice play by the Bankers to wrest more control over Lincolns debt-free currency, a currency they only agreed to accept under rapacious conditions that devalued its worth some 80% off its face (greenbacks couldn't pay import duty or interest on the national debt).

The result was a Dead President whose flirting with debt-free money threatened the economic hegemony of the Banking Elite, and a Moneyed Aristocracy that got their National Bank.

Shortly before Lincolns "lone-nut" assassination, he said this:

"The money power preys upon the nation in times of peace, and conspiracies against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy."

Yes, the International Bankers truly never conspired for Money or Control over the United States. Or for that matter, the World :D
 
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