FOOD INC. What Government and Monopolies are doing to our Food???

Quote from vhehn:

most of the stuff in this thread is fear mongering. i am old enough to remember how food used to be. food today is as healthy as it ever was and in the case of perishables much healthier now.
for most people you can get the benefit of a healthier life with simple lifestyle changes. eat lots of fruit and vegatables, avoid red meat, dont drink dont smoke. avoid sweet drinks, get off your ass and do some physical labor or exersize.
the organic,naturopathic, supplement industry is mostly a scam to seperate gullible people from their money through fear tactics. when i grew up on a farm we grew organic food all the time because we couldnt afford chemicals. do you know how we fertalized? we used the animal manure accumulated over the winter to spread on the ground that we grew vegatables in. how healthy do you think that really is? it was chemical free though. the truth is that without modern chemicals humans would starve because yields would be cut in half.

Amen...vhehn

How do plants absorb nutrients?

Through ion exchange, both positely charged(cations > nitrogen=NH4) & -negatively charged(anions > nitrogen=NO3). There is no difference from the plants prospective between ions derive from organic matter or chemical fertilizers...
No matter if it's government, agri-business, or the small organic farmer; if the plants do not find the proper nutrients(everyone uses NPK, but not expensive micro's) you harvest garbage. No conspiracy, just cheap farmers/government/business & consumers.
 
Quote from Eight:

If a person doesn't have the Bible and read it the best they can do is wander around in the dark...

And, which Bible would that be, Sparky?

Would that be the Christian version, or the Hebrew? Or, is it the Marcionite Bible?

If it's Christian, would that be the King James Version or the New International Version or one of the many variants of each?

Not that it matters any. Like most bible-toting maniacs, you've displayed the typical closed-mindedness of someone who's completely missed the point of what any of those, not to mention the texts of other religions, try to teach their followers -- tolerance of others.
 
Quote from jprad:

Like most bible-toting maniacs, you've displayed the typical closed-mindedness of someone who's completely missed the point of what any of those, not to mention the texts of other religions, try to teach their followers -- tolerance of others.


huh, thats a long shot ! Teaching tolerance of others!??!?!!? I can see strong evidence of opposite. No need to mention examples....

Religion is a tool to use to benfit of intolerance like robbery, extreme regimes etc,etc. religion just makes sense out of these actions so it can be explained to kids what parents did and kids do not vomit and become the same a bit later on :D :D
 
Yeah, I have no prove that the is NOT a god...but certainly you don't have to prove that there is one -- makes a whole lot of sense. Now prove to me that the Flying Spaghetti Monster or the Invisible Pink Unicorn do not exist. Most of the god touting comments just show how the US education system has failed and to be honest I'm very surprised to read these comments in 2009. Basically what TraderZones is saying is since science has not explained every detail of complicated things such as black holes it has obviously failed, therefore we can explain it through magic (Jesus, god and whatnot).
 
Quote from austrijec:

huh, thats a long shot ! Teaching tolerance of others!??!?!!? I can see strong evidence of opposite. No need to mention examples...

I completely agree that a lot of bad things have been done in the name of religion. But, my comment was specific to what's written, not what's practiced.
 
Quote from jprad:

Sorry to touch such a raw nerve, but it really was an honest question.

"touching a raw nerve" is not a proper idiom for this situation. hit/touch a (raw) nerve. That means "to upset someone by talking about a particular subject." My comment was that you went through an entire detailed post and extracted one thing without any attempt to digest it. It is like looking at someone's exam, and saying they don't know much because they wrote the wrong date on it. IE, who cares???

Do they also believe that Man was created in God's image?

who cares what people like you or I believe? It gets closer only to belief or opinion, not truth. No atheist has any clue why he is here, or where he is going or anything else, for that matter. They just run around with chips on their shoulder, pretending to know more than people who do believe in God.

Can you prove that man was NOT made in the image of God? Can you show any other animal with clearly demonstrable religious practices? (without resorting to "elephants show particular interest in the bones of other dead elephants", which does not prove any religious attachment, but of bonding) Can you show anyMAJOR human culture so far unearthed that was CLEARLY DEVOID of religious influence? Mayans? Egyptians? Chinese? Mongols? Native Americans?


If, so then explain a fossil record which, as far as we can tell, indicates that life has existed for about 550 million years and experienced at least 5 major extinction events that have wiped out 99% of the biological diversity that once lived.

After you explain how this CLEARLY shows the ABSENCE of God, beyond doubt. I already said I was a theistic evolutionist who believes in the longterm earth and the existing fossil record. You are just raising questions you yourself can not answer with anything other than opinion.

Is it all just a case of God having a few hundred million years to kill until the universe settled down enough so that he could get on with it?

I am waiting for your definitive proof that God does NOT exist and can prove without doubt that he did NOT create life in this way. Again, you are only expressing opinions, which would be thrown out of court or a proper debate because they are speculative, not definitive.

Unless you will continue to confuse your opinions with knowledge, I don't see the point of continuing. You believe you are right, but are incapable of anything but speculating on the cosmos, and think somehow your uninformed opinion is better than the uninformed opinions of everyone else. No one can prove much of any of this, so your trying to look clever and informed about this matter is juvenile, not intellectual. I was an athiest for years. Nothing of what you are saying is even approaching the more informed arguments of atheists. You are throwing darts blindfolded, and looking smug because your darts landed closer to some particular blade of grass than someone else did.
 
Quote from d08:

Basically what TraderZones is saying is since science has not explained every detail of complicated things such as black holes it has obviously failed, therefore we can explain it through magic (Jesus, god and whatnot).

That is NOT what Traderzones said at all. Science has not explained every detail? Science has hardly even started!!!

traderzones what saying that science is still in its infancy, and is not something that proves or disproves deity. Especially in the hands of people who using it as a weapon who only have a modest grasp of what science already exists.

General -Science-knowledge-wise, I will go toe to toe with most of the ETers trying to wield science as the "Club of Truth"

Saying "evolution is truth" is what triggered this. Science is not truth. It is a collection of human practices or methods that allows us testable, repeatable verification or observation of some of the things around us, but in 200 years, scientists will think our current grasp is rather embryonic and often silly.
 
I'd wish to settle this argument once and for all right here right now but unfortunately time sets its constraints -- therefore I wish you would see the videos of Richard Dawkins (all freely available), he provides answers to almost all of your questions.
 
Quote from d08:

I'd wish to settle this argument once and for all right here right now but unfortunately time sets its constraints -- therefore I wish you would see the videos of Richard Dawkins (all freely available), he provides answers to almost all of your questions.
you are falsley assuming that traderzones wants the answers. he has a need to believe so will reject anything that does not agree with his primitive book.
 
Back
Top