FOOD INC. What Government and Monopolies are doing to our Food???

Anaconda · Jun 24, 2009

Quote from vhehn:

food today is as healthy as it ever was and in the case of perishables much healthier now.

You're a proven moron if you believe that. Obviously your taste buds have lost the ability to recognize dead artificial food from real food.

ElCubano · Jun 24, 2009

Quote from Anaconda:

Your friend lacks common sense. A dog is a carnivore. Humans are not carnivores, they are omnivores, not pure herbivores. We cannot digest cellulose, which all herbivores can. The whole argument that humans were not meant to eat meat falls apart at that one key point.

Our digestive system and teeth are designed for both meat & vegetables. While we can live on meat alone, it is not too wise as there will be some nutrient deficiency along with a clogged digestive system. While we can live on vegetables, nuts & fruits alone, it is also not too wise. We will lack proper proteins, proper fats and B vitamins. Neither is optimal.

The healthiest communities on this earth are not vegetarians, they are mostly meat eaters. One group is eskimos who can only eat vegetables & fruits in the summer. They live off fish & walrus, their primary energy source are fats. Another group, Hunzas I think, eat pork, beef, chicken, etc. I do know that Okinawas are vegetarian.

If your meat is healthy, it has exceptionally high nutritional value and is digested very easily by your system. If your meat comes from your standard commercial meat farm, naturally your digestive system will struggle with it. It's not about whether to eat meat or not, it's how your food is raised & grown.

very good info. Thats why you feel great from eating organic food after only a few weeks. Your digestive system is where good health starts.

TraderZones · Jun 24, 2009

Quote from Anaconda:

Your friend lacks common sense. A dog is a carnivore. Humans are not carnivores, they are omnivores, not pure herbivores. We cannot digest cellulose, which all herbivores can. The whole argument that humans were not meant to eat meat falls apart at that one key point.
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Correct. As we lldefined on page 4 of this doc:

http://skullduggery.com/Lessons/0960-3.pdf

Humans are omnivores, and have the most diverse diet of any animal.

jueco2005 · Jun 24, 2009

Quote from Anaconda:

Your friend lacks common sense. A dog is a carnivore. Humans are not carnivores, they are omnivores, not pure herbivores. We cannot digest cellulose, which all herbivores can. The whole argument that humans were not meant to eat meat falls apart at that one key point.

Our digestive system and teeth are designed for both meat & vegetables. While we can live on meat alone, it is not too wise as there will be some nutrient deficiency along with a clogged digestive system. While we can live on vegetables, nuts & fruits alone, it is also not too wise. We will lack proper proteins, proper fats and B vitamins. Neither is optimal.

The healthiest communities on this earth are not vegetarians, they are mostly meat eaters. One group is eskimos who can only eat vegetables & fruits in the summer. They live off fish & walrus, their primary energy source are fats. Another group, Hunzas I think, eat pork, beef, chicken, etc. I do know that Okinawas are vegetarian.

If your meat is healthy, it has exceptionally high nutritional value and is digested very easily by your system. If your meat comes from your standard commercial meat farm, naturally your digestive system will struggle with it. It's not about whether to eat meat or not, it's how your food is raised & grown.

GOOD. I guess that is what most doctors say.

Anaconda · Jun 24, 2009

Quote from ElCubano:

very good info. Thats why you feel great from eating organic food after only a few weeks. Your digestive system is where good health starts.

Depends on the company. There are enough loopholes in the USDA organic rules for the big argi/meat/dairy producers to pass off their shit products as organic with a few little changes.

I would advise local family farms that follow the natural ways. They may not necessarily quality for organic as it is expensive & full of bureaucracy. You can usually tell from the taste & appearance of the products.
Your own small gardens from heirloom seeds will produce true quality vegetables which have superb taste.

d08 · Jun 24, 2009

Quote from ElCubano:

all these years on this board I never knew you to be a person full of venom. The hate for people who oppose your evolution view is cause for concern to people around you, i would think. Is it so bad to believe in creation that much that you would insult a person the way you have. Or perhaps by trying to belittle you feel some type of statisfaction that makes you feel better. I just hope that you are not this way to people close to you. have a good day buddy and cheer up.

Evolution is not a view, evolution has been shown to be true but other views (yes, views) have been not. You can believe in Harry Potter or Jesus Christ (bible), doesn't matter since both are made up stories. The problem arises when you try to preach your story as truth and teach it in schools. Before you question the truth (evolution) watch some Richard Dawkins videos.

TraderZones · Jun 24, 2009

Quote from d08:

Evolution is not a view, evolution has been shown to be true but other views (yes, views) have been not. You can believe in Harry Potter or Jesus Christ (bible), doesn't matter since both are made up stories. The problem arises when you try to preach your story as truth and teach it in schools. Before you question the truth (evolution) watch some Richard Dawkins videos.

Evolution is truth? I have studied evolution a lot and you are way overconfident for someone who probably understands it a lot less than I do. But thanks for elevating it beyond a theory. Science keeps trumpeting itself as truth.

If so, then explain quantum entanglement, where 2 entangled items keep that relationship over a distance? Science has no clue.

How come science was blind to 95% plus of the known universe, just as recently as the late 1970s (dark energy, dark matter were unknown to them, just baryonic matter was known)?

How come science has convinced itself we live in an 11 dimension cosmos, when they have no visible evidence and probably never will?

Why does science need to resort to a multiverse (up to an infinite number of simultaneous universes), when they have only seen this one and will probably never see another?

How come science has not fixed the energy crisis, global warming, fusion energy, extended our maximum life span, conquered cancer (about the same rates as decades ago), solved starvation (over a billion estimated are hungry), the lack of clean readily available water, recreated major extinct animals like the marsupial tiger or mammoth or even put 1 person on the nearest planet? Has science conquered emotion, what happens after life or a host of other philosophical questions?

The problem is, that science keeps having to fix its holes, because they have barely scratched the surface.

I have 2 science degrees (bio, computer sci), but science is not exactly a done deal to hang philosophy on.

there is biblical evidence, but the skeptics cannot get beyond their own inability to think outside their own very very limited box. Anything presented is dismissed without serious comtemplation (I have tried), and anything science readily accepted, when most of its believers know little about serious science themselves.

And FWIW, I am a theistic evolutionist.

jprad · Jun 24, 2009

Quote from TraderZones:

I am a theistic evolutionist.

What's missing in the theory of evolution that it requires a supernatural being to make it complete?

TraderZones · Jun 25, 2009

Quote from jprad:

What's missing in the theory of evolution that it requires a supernatural being to make it complete?

seeing you stepped around the meat of the argument...

there is no more or less evidence for the existence of God than for God to not exist

People who say "there is no God have zero "proof" and expect that offering their own minuscule belief is somehow more cerebral than the minuscule who say "there is a God."

Something like 40-60% of Americans are theistic evolutionists. They believe in God and they believe in evolution. The number who disbelieve in God and believe in evolution is much smaller. So it is hardly a minority opinion to be a theistic evolutionist.

The only evidence most atheists offer for no God is to try and taint theists. But the evidence from theists is rarely more convincing.

Free Thinker · Jun 25, 2009

Quote from TraderZones:

Evolution is truth? I have studied evolution a lot and you are way overconfident for someone who probably understands it a lot less than I do. But thanks for elevating it beyond a theory. Science keeps trumpeting itself as truth.

If so, then explain quantum entanglement, where 2 entangled items keep that relationship over a distance? Science has no clue.

How come science was blind to 95% plus of the known universe, just as recently as the late 1970s (dark energy, dark matter were unknown to them, just baryonic matter was known)?

How come science has convinced itself we live in an 11 dimension cosmos, when they have no visible evidence and probably never will?

Why does science need to resort to a multiverse (up to an infinite number of simultaneous universes), when they have only seen this one and will probably never see another?

How come science has not fixed the energy crisis, global warming, fusion energy, extended our maximum life span, conquered cancer (about the same rates as decades ago), solved starvation (over a billion estimated are hungry), the lack of clean readily available water, recreated major extinct animals like the marsupial tiger or mammoth or even put 1 person on the nearest planet? Has science conquered emotion, what happens after life or a host of other philosophical questions?

The problem is, that science keeps having to fix its holes, because they have barely scratched the surface.

I have 2 science degrees (bio, computer sci), but science is not exactly a done deal to hang philosophy on.

there is biblical evidence, but the skeptics cannot get beyond their own inability to think outside their own very very limited box. Anything presented is dismissed without serious comtemplation (I have tried), and anything science readily accepted, when most of its believers know little about serious science themselves.

And FWIW, I am a theistic evolutionist.

because science has not yet found all of the answers that makes a supernatural tale concieved by stone age men somehow true?