Flynn Flips

[TreeFrogTrader]

Secondly -- Trump, as President, is effectively immune from civil and criminal prosecution -- the more likely path is that Trump would be impeached if a special prosecutor brought forward compelling evidence directly against the President.

Yes, but we must also admit that the law on this is complicated and the constitution leaves a lot of ambiguity.

I agree that the president is immune from criminal prosecution but at the same time I note that clinton was found guilty or entered a plea of guilty of perjury while he was a sitting president. So apparently he cannot be indicted and tried but can still enter into plea deals. Probably even using his immunity- which is only good until he leaves office- as a bargaining factor in his favor. Complicated.

And I want to agree that he is also immune civilly but I have to note that the supreme court ordered that Paula Jones' suit against clinton could proceed even while he was in office, which it did. Complicated.

The impeachment thing is always a wild card because it is 100% a political process even though it pretends not to be. ie. Congress and the Senate can do whatever it wants because there is no appeal to either the lower courts or the Supreme Court. People spend lots of time trying to define what a high crime and misdemeanor is but in the end it doesn't matter. You either have the votes to move him out or not for whatever reasons or no reason at all. Not reviewable by the courts.

That's why Pelosi and schumer are trying to tamp down all these impeachment bills that are in motion. They know Mueller doesn't have anything good on trump /yet anyway and that the dems don't have enough votes to make an impeachment happen. I say bring it on as soon and as fast as you can. You only get one shot unless you want to put the country through it a couple times so go for it. That way if anything else comes up along the way it will be ten times harder to get an impeachment process going. Go for it. Monday or Tuesday of next week would be excellent.

 

[Buy1Sell2]

Flynn is a critical player if obstruction of justice is on the table.

Remember the story about how Trump cleared the Oval Office of everyone except Comey and Comey alleged Trump asked him if he could look past investigating Flynn because he’s a good guy. Yeah, I wonder what Flynn can contribute considering he was the principle target Trump was seeking to obstruct justice for, allegedly (lol).

I’m guessing obstruction of justice is on the table.

Unusually Lame comes up once again with a tainted wild guess on items that he knows nothing about.

 

[UsualName]

He may have a real charge but that in itself does not mean he is following it. Not only is he looking at matters outside his specific mission but he also is not looking at matters that are within his charge but involve Hillary so he is not going there.

But that's fine. Contrary to what you and some others here may think. I am not in any way trying to fend Mueller off for two reasons:

1) I don't think Mueller can get a conviction on the obstruction charge or provide a basis for impeachment. I would love to see him go down that road as soon and as fast as possible. I think it will drain him, and defense lawyers will either slaughter him outright or keep it churning in the courts for years while turning trump into a martyr.

2) I am after Hillary. Not trying to defend Trump. I think Trump can fend off the big hits. But it is the inequity of hunting trump without hunting Hillary that is causing congress to think about appointing a witch hunter for Hillary. I don't want to see that go away which would happen if it looked like Mueller was going away anytime soon. No. I want Mueller to lean into it even more so that congress will feel they need to go after to Hillary to even the score. My message to Mueller is very simple: BRING IT ON ARSEWIPE.

And I don't completely have a problem with Mueller going astray and trying to look at all sorts of other things- because I am looking forward to just doing a similar witch hunt on Hillary- no holds barred. BRING IT ON.

It would be a beautiful thing if muellers witch hunting of trump causes congress to appoint a witch hunter for Hillary. Then trump beats all major charges but Hillary gets in to a legal mess or total public trashing when her Shiite is exposed. Yeh. Sign me up for watching that. Already a little bit of that going on with this fusion gps cesspool. And more to come with Uranium deal cesspool You want a witch hunter to look at Russian connections? Giddy-up. Let's go.

There were multiple investigations going on at various levels of the FBI into Trump’s campaign and some of his campaign officials. Mueller is charged with uncovering all of the Russian entanglements with Trump (at large) and cleaning it out to protect our country. We cannot have foreign countries installing their preferred leaders in the White House regardless if you are ok with trading our sovereignty for a victory for white nationalism. Lucky for us Mueller is a badass American who puts country before party or ideology. You right wingers should try it.

On another note, The investigation into Manafort was subsumed by the special counsel, along with others. Flynn has problems of his own beyond any entanglement he has with possible corruption of justice. The Podesta Group was on the tertiary but Hillary Clinton was not. If somehow she finds herself in the middle then fine but you’re better off directing your attention to normal fbi proceedings for anything involving Clinton. Ask Jeff Sessions for more clarity on that. Or let me guess Sessions should be fired because he is not corrupting the DOJ enough for your taste.

As to whether or not Mueller can develop a basis for impeachment or conviction, that will depend on the investigation not what you think. It is not what you know but what you can prove. What is important here is whether or not Trump corrupted justice or conspired with the Russian government to undermine a free and fair election. If he did let us all hope he is impeached then convicted.

 

[UsualName]

I very much doubt that Trump will go to prison as you assert. First I expect a number of his associates will take any type of fall rather than Trump. Secondly -- Trump, as President, is effectively immune from civil and criminal prosecution -- the more likely path is that Trump would be impeached if a special prosecutor brought forward compelling evidence directly against the President.

I assert he will be lucky to avoid prison. The sitting president having sovereign immunity is understood but not totally accepted because it has not been legally challenged.

Ask yourself, can Donald Trump shoot moth McConnell on the White House lawn and not get arrested? If the answer is no, then he is not technically immune from anything.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

There were multiple investigations going on at various levels of the FBI into Trump’s campaign and some of his campaign officials. Mueller is charged with uncovering all of the Russian entanglements with Trump (at large) and cleaning it out to protect our country. We cannot have foreign countries installing their preferred leaders in the White House regardless if you are ok with trading our sovereignty for a victory for white nationalism. Lucky for us Mueller is a badass American who puts country before party or ideology. You right wingers should try it.

On another note, The investigation into Manafort was subsumed by the special counsel, along with others. Flynn has problems of his own beyond any entanglement he has with possible corruption of justice. The Podesta Group was on the tertiary but Hillary Clinton was not. If somehow she finds herself in the middle then fine but you’re better off directing your attention to normal fbi proceedings for anything involving Clinton. Ask Jeff Sessions for more clarity on that. Or let me guess Sessions should be fired because he is not corrupting the DOJ enough for your taste.

As to whether or not Mueller can develop a basis for impeachment or conviction, that will depend on the investigation not what you think. It is not what you know but what you can prove. What is important here is whether or not Trump corrupted justice or conspired with the Russian government to undermine a free and fair election. If he did let us all hope he is impeached then convicted.

I see you are working for your extra potato in your rations for December already, Comrade.

No. Mueller does not walk on water. We went through that routine with Comey and he turned out to be a hack along with the rest of the intelligence clowns such Loretta, McCabe, Susan Rice, Rosenthal etc. Oh jeseezus and let's not forget Clapper the Lying Fuck.

You try to lay out an orderly scenario where all these "professionals" are just following prototocol and doing their duty with the American flag waving in the background. Back on this planet, the fbi was colluding with trumps political opponent and or her party to pay Russian kgb agents to develop fake information to then use that fake info to get a fake fisa warrant to continue to get dirt and find crimes on trump and company.

WITCH HUNT 101.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

I assert he will be lucky to avoid prison.

Still in denial over the election I see.

Might want to find a crime that you can pin directly on trump first to go with all your theories.

So far, no luck.

 

[UsualName]

I see you are working for your extra potato in your rations for December already, Comrade.

No. Mueller does not walk on water. We went through that routine with Comey and he turned out to be a hack along with the rest of the intelligence clowns such Loretta, McCabe, Susan Rice, Rosenthal etc. Oh jeseezus and let's not forget Clapper the Lying Fuck.

You try to lay out an orderly scenario where all these "professionals" are just following prototocol and doing their duty with the American flag waving in the background. Back on this planet, the fbi was colluding with trumps political opponent and or her party to pay Russian kgb agents to develop fake information to then use that fake info to get a fake fisa warrant to continue to get dirt and find crimes on trump and company.

WITCH HUNT 101.

Your ride is here:

 

[UsualName]

Still in denial over the election I see.

Might want to find a crime that you can pin directly on trump first to go with all your theories.

So far, no luck.

It’s not what you know, it’s what you can prove. He will be lucky to avoid prison.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

It’s not what you know, it’s what you can prove. He will be lucky to avoid prison.

Yup. I read a few minutes ago where Trump has been caught selling a condo in Panama. That's gonna be a tough one to get out of.



"Show me the man, and I will find the crime"
Those were the famous words of Beria, head of the soviet secret police to Stalin. Its how witch hunters work. Except in this country when you try to put a billionaire in prison, don't be surprised if they are able to hire a halfway decent defense team.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Your ride is here:

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