Flash Crash Update

and does tighten spreads and increase liquidity. The issue is that the liquidity disappears in times of market stress,
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once again..i suggest to take a look at the intraday charts..or trade for 10 years or so..just to know and feel the difference...
the issue is that the liquidity disappears every time when real(regardless small retail or not) order steps in...as for spreads...you be the fucking judge..according to my records 3 years ago spread on my stocks(i build portfolio based on avg.volume and stock price. that's it) use to ne 0.2%, now it's 0.6% during flat market and up to 1% if there is any movement...yea..fucking great and liquid...
 
You're talking about a little guy reading charts, who adds less fundamental information to the market than HFT. I'm talking about the market as a whole and outside your noise trading scenario.

Edit: Markets and their structure have changed dramatically and will continue to change. Instead of bitterly priding yourself on a loss you incurred because you had no counterparty to trade with during the events of May 6, you should try adapting to the evolving markets.


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You don't trade do you. I trade the EMini SP and the spread will not change without your HFT's. I traded during the flash crash, I didn't stop, your HFT's did, did I ask for a 'index' to cover my losses? Nope.
I didn't require a blow up banana from the exchange either as I was only trying to make money for myself, period.

This BS about providing liquidity has got to stop. Your orders are fake and miles away from market, they are not genuine, hence why you turned off your nerdboxes when the going gets tuff and the good traders make money. You have no idea where the market is going, hence your need for an 'index', because your whole trading strategy is based on screwing over and insider trading REAL VOLUME.

I know a few big volume traders, they dont ask for no special treatment because they are providing liquidity. If you wanna gamble on futures, place an order to make money...period.

Let me show you clearly how 'real' your volume is.
Your volume is so real the way you exit a 300 lot in the e-mini is by doing 300 1 lot orders. Who the hell does that??? Why not just clip 300. Well, the reason you do that is so that you can fulfill the exchanges messaging policy, since you had placed 300,000 fake ungeniune orders whilst your position was open. Anyone here want that sort of BS 'volume'?
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What a joke! So the criminal front running insider trading HFT nerd wants an 'index' to protect his dumb azzzz from losses?? Didn't you know that 'flash crashes' are named such because they are down to flash orders which are done exclusively by HFT nerds. You caused it, now you want someone to protect your azz? This is unbelieveable, listen here and listen good NO ONE WANTS YOUR SO CALLED VOLUME. 99% of your HFT volume is NEVER traded, it's just order stuffing to slow down systems of mere mortals. Furthermore, all normal traders hope that you do go bust and never come back in the market again.

What next? Peadofiles demanding an index that calculates the percentage chance that a child will tell the cops? When, and not if, there is another flash crash I can't wait to see your coward computers turn yourselves off and run to the bathroom with a brown stain on your pant, because that all HFT's are, frontrunning cowards that now, despite all the illegal help they get, want even more help to protect their dumb azzes from losses.
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Flash orders had absolutely nothing to do with the flash crash.
 
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You're talking about a little guy reading charts, who adds less fundamental information to the market than HFT. I'm talking about the market as a whole and outside your noise trading scenario.

Edit: Markets and their structure have changed dramatically and will continue to change. Instead of bitterly priding yourself on a loss you incurred because you had no counterparty to trade with during the events of May 6, you should try adapting to the evolving markets.
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Oh dear the age old way to protect HFT criminals, by accusing the HFT hater of being bitter for losses. I traded the flash crash and had plenty of counterparties to trade with and though I was long on the way down, I finished the day nicely up, so sorry to disappoint you but your wrong on that one.

I also presumed that you don't trade and you have proved me right.
You are attributing a discussion about HFT's to "the market as a whole and outside your noise trading scenario" and not " little guy reading charts." Well what do you think HFT's are??!?!??! HFT's are in and out of trades quicker and for less of a profit than even the most miserly normal scalper is. Again I'm sorry to break the news to you but HFT's don't trade like Warren Buffett:D
 
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Oh dear the age old way to protect HFT criminals, by accusing the HFT hater of being bitter for losses. I traded the flash crash and had plenty of counterparties to trade with and though I was long on the way down, I finished the day nicely up, so sorry to disappoint you but your wrong on that one.

I also presumed that you don't trade and you have proved me right.
You are attributing a discussion about HFT's to "the market as a whole and outside your noise trading scenario" and not " little guy reading charts." Well what do you think HFT's are??!?!??! HFT's are in and out of trades quicker and for less of a profit than even the most miserly normal scalper is. Again I'm sorry to break the news to you but HFT's don't trade like Warren Buffett:D
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I strongly urge you (and everyone else who can't see the clear picture) to step out of the stone age and either adapt to the changing markets or find a new career path. Consider yourselves warned.
 
Quote from annaland:

I strongly urge you (and everyone else who can't see the clear picture) to step out of the stone age and either adapt to the changing markets or find a new career path. Consider yourselves warned.
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Warn me? Why what will you do, order stuff my azzz into submission?
Darling the only thing youve proved here is you know NOTHING about this industry. If being in a golden age is criminal frontrunning and insider trading with a strategy based solely on screwing over normal traders then I'll stay right where I am. Now turn your nerdbox on and cross your fingers that the market dont move.
 
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Yeah your right, that's why its not called the flash crash LOL. Jeez!:confused:
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Your user ID serves you well. Would you mind explaining what a flash order is, and how it relates to the flash crash?

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I strongly urge you (and everyone else who can't see the clear picture) to step out of the stone age and either adapt to the changing markets or find a new career path. Consider yourselves warned.
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While of course I would love to trade in markets where human beings foolishly work large customer orders all day long, I think most - if not all - the professionals in this business have come to accept, and learn to do profitable business with, the machines.

It's quite clear when someone is unprofitable, frustrated, seeking excuses, and blaming others...
 
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