First grader told to stand after kneeling during Pledge of Allegiance at local elementary school

[Tsing Tao]

Sounds like someone got a little too much indoctrination and got addicted Mr Warrior Samurai Path

It is textbook indoctrination, lets look up the word shall we?

noun: indoctrination
the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.
"I would never subject children to religious indoctrination"

Being from there you may not see the trees for the woods. I've lost count of the times my cousins & American friends have fallen flat reconciling what they think American is emotionally and what they have seen with their eyes all their lives. The old when was America great exactly? question is a real biscuit twister for that kind of programmed belief.

Also, the pledge does not say "should", no grey areas really. " liberty and justice for all.".. depending on your pocketbook of course.

http://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm
"In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God," " and for other reasons (Knights etc.), indoctrination it is.

You can twist the words however you want to conveniently support your narrative, but it's still horseshit. The Pledge of Allegiance doesn't teach people to accept anything uncritically.

It reminds people that the "us" is greater than the "me". That we all are part of something larger than our egos (which is truth).

I get it, really I do. You're the "rebel against all forms of authority" kinda guy. That works just fine for you, and I have no issue with it. Having been supposedly indoctrinated (according to you) with the Pledge, the Anthem and all other "rituals" all my life, I am completely accepting of your choice to be a freedom fighter from imagined tyranny. You go, girl.

 

[Slartibartfast]

You can twist the words however you want to conveniently support your narrative, but it's still horseshit. The Pledge of Allegiance doesn't teach people to accept anything uncritically.

It reminds people that the "us" is greater than the "me". That we all are part of something larger than our egos (which is truth).

I get it, really I do. You're the "rebel against all forms of authority" kinda guy. That works just fine for you, and I have no issue with it. Having been supposedly indoctrinated (according to you) with the Pledge, the Anthem and all other "rituals" all my life, I am completely accepting of your choice to be a freedom fighter from imagined tyranny. You go, girl.

I'm not twisting words, I'm actually a conservative (by the 95.6% of the world's definition, not the corrupted US version) in most ways but not a robot.

The pledge is indoctrination, clean and clear. Francis Bellemy a christian socialist , intended it as such to induce a fervent patriotism in the young. The addition of under God due to the perceived threat of communist influence underlines that intent.

There may be good with it but there is a cost.

Children performing the Bellamy salute to the flag of the United States, 1941.

Changed to hand over heart as it was too similar to the Nazi salute.

 

[gwb-trading]

I'm not twisting words, I'm actually a conservative (by the 95.6% of the world's definition, not the corrupted US version) in most ways but not a robot.

The pledge is indoctrination, clean and clear. Francis Bellemy a christian socialist , intended it as such to induce a fervent patriotism in the young. The addition of under God due to the perceived threat of communist influence underlines that intent.

There may be good with it but there is a cost.

You are not a conservative by any definition across the face of the earth.

Only a far left-wing liberal would endless claim the Pledge of Allegiance is indoctrination. If the Pledge is indoctrination then by the same definition many of the lessons pushed in schools today are nothing more than liberal indoctrination.

 

[Tsing Tao]

You are not a conservative by any definition across the face of the earth.

It would seem that he is as much conservative as Piezoe is libertarian. Both have their wires crossed. I find it amusing how so many closet liberals try to pretend they aren't liberal. As if it is a dirty word.

 

[Slartibartfast]

You are not a conservative by any definition across the face of the earth.

Only a far left-wing liberal would endless claim the Pledge of Allegiance is indoctrination. If the Pledge is indoctrination then by the same definition many of the lessons pushed in schools today are nothing more than liberal indoctrination.

It is indoctrination whether or not you consider it a good influence or not. It has been described as idolatry by Christians but while that might be a part of it, the flag-worshiping angle is a subset idea to me.

Take a phrase, repeat it in a ceremony every school day from a very young age until it is really burned in there... Indoctrination.

I am conservative, just not an American conservative. Every people on Earth have a version of liberal & conservative bias. Remember Americans comprise of just 4.4% of the World population. The rest of us don't look at the shitshow you guys call politics lately to frame our sense of position in societal values. We have our own spectrum of views.

 

[Tsing Tao]

I'm not twisting words, I'm actually a conservative (by the 95.6% of the world's definition, not the corrupted US version) in most ways but not a robot.

The pledge is indoctrination, clean and clear. Francis Bellemy a christian socialist , intended it as such to induce a fervent patriotism in the young. The addition of under God due to the perceived threat of communist influence underlines that intent.

There may be good with it but there is a cost.

Sorry, I completely disagree with all of this. Including the supposed belief that you are conservative by any definition of the word.

 

[Tsing Tao]

The rest of us don't look at the shitshow you guys call politics lately to frame our sense of position in societal values.

And yet you hang out here, on an American politics forum.

 

[gwb-trading]

It is indoctrination whether or not you consider it a good influence or not. It has been described as idolatry by Christians but while that might be a part of it, the flag-worshiping angle is a subset idea to me.

Take a phrase, repeat it in a ceremony every school day from a very young age until it is really burned in there... Indoctrination.

I am conservative, just not an American conservative. Every people on Earth have a version of liberal & conservative bias. Remember Americans comprise of just 4.4% of the World population. The rest of us don't look at the shitshow you guys call politics lately to frame our sense of position in societal values. We have our own spectrum of views.

It would be interesting for you to go over to India, China, Japan, Russia, or any African nation, communicate your views, and then ask your audience if you are a conservative?

 

[Slartibartfast]

It would be interesting for you to go over to India, China, Japan, Russia, or any African nation, communicate your views, and then ask your audience if you are a conservative?

I've been to all those places except China. I see no issue.

I hold traditional values from my own culture(s) in most things, one cannot be a clone of one's grandparents in every respect or there will be no innovation and improvement.

Being on a "team" is just being a drone.

 

[Slartibartfast]

And yet you hang out here, on an American politics forum.

Actually it is just a politics forum. American guys just make everything about themselves. European guys know better that to try to have a discussion about say European democratic socialism or similar, islamisation or other topics. Old yanks will come in banging garbage can lids and it becomes nonsense.

I am studying the more extreme left and right for education purposes so I know how to control an increasing number of old Americans I encounter in my central/south American life. I'm not a social outcast or lonely/bitter divorcee in his 50s type with nothing better to do that shout at clouds.