But they have still been at war with us for decades.
Look up their history of mini-sub attacks, motor boat attacks, border penetration attacks to the South against both U.S. and South Korean forces since the "end" of the Korean war.
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But they have still been at war with us for decades.
Look up their history of mini-sub attacks, motor boat attacks, border penetration attacks to the South against both U.S. and South Korean forces since the "end" of the Korean war.
Again,aware.I'm posting in the context of big war under Truman since thats where the current situation might be headed.I do think The US should have retaliated heavily over the Pueblo incident.
What they can say to Trump etc. is they have a H-bomb in NYC, other cities, already. They can't say that publicly of course or it will freak the crap out of everyone. It is a breach of nuclear protocol not to put things in terms of familiar missiles and subs for the public. There are rules.
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1001206,00.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...reveal-frantic-search-bomb-ruse-Russians.html
old news...
If someone can explain why they need a missile (other than posturing theatrics) and if they don't, how M.A.D. can be overcome, you might get a prize from the institute of very clever people.
Just because something has not happened before... Don't worry, they have thought of it already.
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1001206,00.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...reveal-frantic-search-bomb-ruse-Russians.html
old news...
If someone can explain why they need a missile (other than posturing theatrics) and if they don't, how M.A.D. can be overcome, you might get a prize from the institute of very clever people.
Just because something has not happened before... Don't worry, they have thought of it already.
Did not congress change to republican control almost immediately? The republicans who ensured the agreement was disrupted as much as they could.
edited: yes I think it is covered here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreed_Framework
"KEDO's first director, Stephen Bosworth, later commented "The Agreed Framework was a political orphan within two weeks after its signature".[23] "
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you are claiming this is Trumps fault... so I am trying to find out what you are actually claiming.
nice dodge.
I blame Clinton for giving them an Obama / Iran deal when he should have stopped them.
I blame Bush..
And I also place serious blame on Obama. Especially for putting billions on the table for Iran.
Trump so far gets no blame. At the moment he is either going to blamed for a nuclear detonation or he will look like a champ for taking out a dangerous mad dictator... something obama should have done.
nice dodge.
I blame Clinton for giving them an Obama / Iran deal when he should have stopped them.
I blame Bush..
And I also place serious blame on Obama. Especially for putting billions on the table for Iran.
Trump so far gets no blame. At the moment he is either going to blamed for a nuclear detonation or he will look like a champ for taking out a dangerous mad dictator... something obama should have done.
“History shows that we can, if we must, tolerate nuclear weapons in North Korea.”
Those words were written by former National Security Adviser Susan Rice on Thursday in the New York Times, in arguing for appeasement towards Kim Jong-un.
It was also the perfect symbol of everything that was wrong with Barack Obama’s feckless foreign policy — and it explains why the world that President Donald Trump inherited is so dangerous and unstable.
The Obama administration believed it was worth living in the shadow of terror and nuclear aggression as long as the U.S. could maintain a dignified posture that could not provoke anyone.
That is why they abandoned missile defense in Europe, allowed Russia to invade Ukraine, dismantled international sanctions against Iran, and let the Chinese build fake islands in the South China Sea.
But everywhere, their policy has only invited more aggression.
Rice’s arguments reprise exactly the case that Winston Churchill’s opponents made against him throughout the 1930s — that Britain could learn to live in the shadow of fascist Europe, and that it did not have the ability to fight back in any case.
In blaming Trump’s rhetoric for escalating the crisis, she repeats what Churchill’s opponents said about his war talk. They only realized he had been right all along when it was almost too late to save the country.
In her long and disastrous career, Rice has advocated inaction when intervention would have saved lives. During the Rwandan genocide, she counseled President Bill Clinton to avoid using that term, and helped stop the U.S. from responding.
In Benghazi, the Obama administration failed to make any effort to save U.S. diplomats and security personnel — and then Rice lied shamelessly to the American people, blaming a YouTube video for the attack.
Rice complains that Trump told North Korea that “they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen” if they threaten the U.S.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ice-disgraceful-call-appeasement-north-korea/
Those words were written by former National Security Adviser Susan Rice on Thursday in the New York Times, in arguing for appeasement towards Kim Jong-un.
It was also the perfect symbol of everything that was wrong with Barack Obama’s feckless foreign policy — and it explains why the world that President Donald Trump inherited is so dangerous and unstable.
The Obama administration believed it was worth living in the shadow of terror and nuclear aggression as long as the U.S. could maintain a dignified posture that could not provoke anyone.
That is why they abandoned missile defense in Europe, allowed Russia to invade Ukraine, dismantled international sanctions against Iran, and let the Chinese build fake islands in the South China Sea.
But everywhere, their policy has only invited more aggression.
Rice’s arguments reprise exactly the case that Winston Churchill’s opponents made against him throughout the 1930s — that Britain could learn to live in the shadow of fascist Europe, and that it did not have the ability to fight back in any case.
In blaming Trump’s rhetoric for escalating the crisis, she repeats what Churchill’s opponents said about his war talk. They only realized he had been right all along when it was almost too late to save the country.
In her long and disastrous career, Rice has advocated inaction when intervention would have saved lives. During the Rwandan genocide, she counseled President Bill Clinton to avoid using that term, and helped stop the U.S. from responding.
In Benghazi, the Obama administration failed to make any effort to save U.S. diplomats and security personnel — and then Rice lied shamelessly to the American people, blaming a YouTube video for the attack.
Rice complains that Trump told North Korea that “they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen” if they threaten the U.S.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ice-disgraceful-call-appeasement-north-korea/
Another view on Obama was he was stone cold in ways nobody realises. So hard-boiled in fact he won't be claiming credit for it until after he is dead.
As accounted to me by someone who works in U.K. intelligence. An anonymous source
Arab spring, Syria falling to bits internally, ISIS/Caliphate which had been in planning in gentleman's clubs across Europe since the fall of the Ottoman empire finally gets a green light. Layers upon layers of forces at play.
Obama did relatively little and why should he? It was floated that the E.U. simply take Syria as a protectorate, offer Assad an exile and just say ok, now we administer Syria for five years until things get on their feet. That was actually quite possible but the E.U. twits could not get their collective act together, 2008 had them still reeling.
So fine, for Europe to get in fighting form again it needed to take some heat and Obama held back, knowing people were going to die, horribly, in large numbers. Europe needed to wake up to it's responsibilities as a military superpower giving the growing China etc. concerns.
The Muslims (some of them) needed to grow up fast and by experiencing ISIS in a limited manner, realise that their narcissistic dream of 6th century purity was actually a 21st century nightmare. Let the fever burn itself out.
The snag (I presume) was Russia screwed the plan quite a bit as revenge for sanctions on Ukraine. Obama in his way however chose like Truman to let the bomb (ISIS) drop to accelerate the resolution of the war. Kinda monstrous but pretty bad ass if true.
But that was just the musing of a 40 year U.K. intelligence vet in 2014.
As accounted to me by someone who works in U.K. intelligence. An anonymous source
Arab spring, Syria falling to bits internally, ISIS/Caliphate which had been in planning in gentleman's clubs across Europe since the fall of the Ottoman empire finally gets a green light. Layers upon layers of forces at play.
Obama did relatively little and why should he? It was floated that the E.U. simply take Syria as a protectorate, offer Assad an exile and just say ok, now we administer Syria for five years until things get on their feet. That was actually quite possible but the E.U. twits could not get their collective act together, 2008 had them still reeling.
So fine, for Europe to get in fighting form again it needed to take some heat and Obama held back, knowing people were going to die, horribly, in large numbers. Europe needed to wake up to it's responsibilities as a military superpower giving the growing China etc. concerns.
The Muslims (some of them) needed to grow up fast and by experiencing ISIS in a limited manner, realise that their narcissistic dream of 6th century purity was actually a 21st century nightmare. Let the fever burn itself out.
The snag (I presume) was Russia screwed the plan quite a bit as revenge for sanctions on Ukraine. Obama in his way however chose like Truman to let the bomb (ISIS) drop to accelerate the resolution of the war. Kinda monstrous but pretty bad ass if true.
But that was just the musing of a 40 year U.K. intelligence vet in 2014.
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