Find Them--4000 Troops Wander Around Looking For Needle In Haystack

Quote from Brandonf:

If by some miracle of science we could bring back all of the leading generals and admirals of WW2 and let them run this war, it would be over in 3 months tops. Unfortunatly when it was over the EU would charge them all to a man with war crimes and our pussy politicians would probably turn them over. But, we would win, and its a sad commentary on what we have become that we are no longer willing to do what it takes to win once we commit to something.

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Excellent point. WW II would still be going on, or more likely we would have lost, if we had conducted it like we are this Iraq occupation. The Japanese got the message, and so would the Iraqis.
 
Quote from chuck.ells:

Although I agree a large portion of our military soldiers are still children (kids). The idea that our enemy's nap (to steal) them, after both sides aggressively try and kill each other, is flawed.

kidnap
1673, compound of kid (n.) "child" and nap "snatch away," variant of nab; originally "stealing children to provide servants and laborers in the American colonies."


We ( the USofA citizens) have no place to bitch about or even mention the Geneva Conventions being adhered to or not.

And yes I also agree that these soldiers are most likely already dead. If not, they soon will be.
Sad state of affairs
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OK, you have officially taken the Moral Equivalency Trophy from ZZZ. Even he can tell the difference between al qaeda and the US military. The good news for you is that you can now run for the Senate as a democrat.
 
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Would you please tell me what the USSR did to win their war in Afghanistan, which was also a situation of a foreign military presence occupying a country who was not in favor of the occupation...

Oh yeah, that's right...they didn't win that occupation war...
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So your point is...what? That an occupation cannot be won? Tell that to eastern europe.
 
So Eastern Europe at that time is the equivalent of middle eastern countries today...

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

So your point is...what? That an occupation cannot be won? Tell that to eastern europe.
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Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

OK, you have officially taken the Moral Equivalency Trophy from ZZZ. Even he can tell the difference between al qaeda and the US military. The good news for you is that you can now run for the Senate as a democrat.
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God and devil right? Or heaven and hell? Is that your point?

Hey I know, lets blame it on Iran. Now we can invade another country while pretending our armed soldiers were innocent babes who were snatched out of their mothers loving arms.

Maybe Israel has some hot tips for us on that subject?

Vote for Chuck.
Only Chuck can protect our young people in uniform.
 
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

That's how our military geniuses look for 3 kidnapped soldiers. The last two soldiers who were kidnapped in this area were genitally mutilated while alive and horribly disfigured and tortured. The NYT doesn't think you need to know things like that however. Torture or war crimes are only relevant if Americans can be accused of them.

Let's just imagine you were Secretary of Defense and your son had been grabbed by these barbarians, and you knew he would likely suffer the same fate as the other two poor guys who were kidnapped. Frankly, setting up roadblocks and searching a few cars and houses wouldn't be adequate if it was me. I would seal off the entire area, 24 hour curfew. I would haul in the tribal sheikhs in charge and tell them their lives were over if these soldiers were not produced and the kidnappers identified. Then I would start bulldozing houses down, block by block. Those swamps and marshes where they hide out? Ever hear of Agent Orange. or flame throwers? Turn that area into more desert.

Turn up the heat enough, put some fear in these people and you will get results. If not, you can at least make damn sure that nothing else happens there. Pretty hard to move munitions into Baghdad when there is a 24 hour curfew.

The fact that our military accepts these incidents and basically does nothing ensures they will continue to happen. The residents are a lot more afraid of al qaeda than they are of our touchy feely military. If the standard response is to bulldoze every house on the block of an IED attack, pretty soon people will start making sure insurgents set up bombs somewhere else.

Instead, we prosecute good soldiers on absurd charges dreamed up by lawyers in the Pentagon. We have the most PC military in history. It's illegal to threaten terrorist detainees. We don't want to inconvenience the Iraqis, even if they are facilitating terrorists. We would rather take casualties than level a mosque.

Either start trying to win or get out.
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In war, moral sensibilities tend to move as the enemy lowers the bar. However, we are now fighting a war where, for the first time, a society accepts an absolute deontological prohibition against adjusting military technique given the enemy’s decent into savagery. No such barrier was everlasting for the UK in Europe or the USA in Japan. It is reasonable to hesitate to cross such barriers depending on the stage of the war, scale of the war and the costs of the war. But one wonders where the breaking point lies.

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http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/2007/02/arab-honor-and-shame.html


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An excellent blog that once again covers honor and shame that is the 'binding' culture for Arabs and Islam. Did anyone ever mention that they love to lie too?

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Honor and shame, for an Arab family/tribe is seen as a key survival factor. Dishonor brings physical danger to the family. Thus, the contempt an Arab/Muslim holds for the other is expressed by violence to the other’s family. In Israel the main targets of suicide bombings are not military but civilian. What is being expressed is “you brought shame and death to your family.” This isn’t a second best choice because of a lack of military power; this is an end in itself. Arab/Muslims know that Western morality inhibits retaliation in kind. Indeed, they’ll exploit such moral sentiments in the West whenever Arab civilians are inadvertently killed. No such complaint would be lodged against a fellow Arab.




Israel, for a time, had a policy of evicting families of suicide bombers. At least one such family turned in their son to prevent losing their home. However, Arabs quickly provided funds to reward families and neutralized this policy (Saddam was one such funding source.) No doubt if Israel killed the family of suicide bombers the shame/honor dynamic would diminish the high regard of being a shaheed and most likely end suicide bombings. Israel, of course, can’t do this. One Arab reporter, while gloating, told his American counterpart that "with all your technology you can’t respond to this manner of fighting." There is a perverse pride in being able to kill the families of civilized people knowing how difficult it is for them to do the same in return.
 
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