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Finally !!! ASK QUESTIONS, DEMAND ANSWERS.
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That's a fair enough answer... however you seem to be insinuating that said airplane DID NOT hit the Pentagon, correct? Doesn't the fact that all these missing individuals that were on this missing plane logically suggest that it WAS the passenger plane that hit the building?Quote from Bitstream:
i don't have all da answers just plenty of questions.
http://www.canada.com/globaltv/national/story.html?id=b46c5aab-9e6c-415f-8328-916cda002194#
scroll down to Watch The new...
Come now...
Do YOU really SEE an airliner hitting the Pentagon in this "shocking" video? Why were these images cropped BTW?? At all??
Because it is not the shape of a 757 in the frame. Gander this image of the elusive white swiggly thingy - uncropped.
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/videos/uncropped.html
I think the image has been altered too. Why is it swiggley??
Frankly - if I had to make a call - not only does this 'image' seem too small to be a Boeing 757, I would say I see more of a cruise missile shape before I see the conical nose of an airliner. I mean really- look close as this video link enables you you drag the progression at your own pace.
Air Defenses Stood Down On 911 after ATC Alerts Given
A good read to leave you biting your lip and wondering why this is interesting info too:
http://www.rense.com/general18/atcd.htm
Air Defenses Stood Down On 911 after ATC Alerts Given
It is too easy to choose not deal with all the missing people - if the story was not as it is sold - I mean told.
Maybe it is the parsnips??
QUOTE]Quote from jzlucas:
What do you think hit the Pentagon? Where are the missing individuals? Please come up with something better than the conspiratorial answer "NASA took them". [/QUOTE]
scroll down to Watch The new...
Come now...
Do YOU really SEE an airliner hitting the Pentagon in this "shocking" video? Why were these images cropped BTW?? At all??
Because it is not the shape of a 757 in the frame. Gander this image of the elusive white swiggly thingy - uncropped.
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/videos/uncropped.html
I think the image has been altered too. Why is it swiggley??
Frankly - if I had to make a call - not only does this 'image' seem too small to be a Boeing 757, I would say I see more of a cruise missile shape before I see the conical nose of an airliner. I mean really- look close as this video link enables you you drag the progression at your own pace.
Air Defenses Stood Down On 911 after ATC Alerts Given
A good read to leave you biting your lip and wondering why this is interesting info too:
http://www.rense.com/general18/atcd.htm
Air Defenses Stood Down On 911 after ATC Alerts Given
It is too easy to choose not deal with all the missing people - if the story was not as it is sold - I mean told.
Maybe it is the parsnips??
QUOTE]Quote from jzlucas:
What do you think hit the Pentagon? Where are the missing individuals? Please come up with something better than the conspiratorial answer "NASA took them". [/QUOTE]
Quote from jzlucas:
That's a fair enough answer... however you seem to be insinuating that said airplane DID NOT hit the Pentagon, correct? Doesn't the fact that all these missing individuals that were on this missing plane logically suggest that it WAS the passenger plane that hit the building?
never said, neither insinuate that a plane did not hit da penta, only that from da video it is impossible to tell what left that smoke trail.
for what concerns da missin' passangers, that alone cannot by default prove that a plane really hit da building since there are way too many inconsistencies with an aeroplane crash that cannot be easly overlooked.
I was not at the pentgon, I was about 3 blocks from wtc 1 nd 2 when they hit, u felt it, do I know the integrity of the buildings around wtc7, no I really don't, but do you? The question I ask is why would our own gov't kill our own people? Give me a true and factual answer and I will respond in kind.
Quote from frank grimes:
I was not at the pentgon, I was about 3 blocks from wtc 1 nd 2 when they hit, u felt it, do I know the integrity of the buildings around wtc7, no I really don't, but do you? The question I ask is why would our own gov't kill our own people? Give me a true and factual answer and I will respond in kind.
k, this q. has been addressed already, but here u go again; 2 simple words: OPERATION NOTHWOOD...look it up, u might realize u gov is not as bent on protection as u thot.
First - unfinished business - in your same mindset that enabled you to draw your first conclusion that the "shock of the whole fucking collapse" was so great is why wtc7 building collapsed...
Frank- you have yet to explain why in your opinion (since you were only 3 blocks away), only wtc7 and no others - which were even closer to the fallen buildings -was the only one to collapse from collateral damage- and so picture perfectly imploded at that?
Hard to answer that one- but you are fine to; let's just move on to the whys ????? mercy...
Now - it appears your inability to consider that our government and countrymen are capable of killing innocent Americans for some unexplained reason does not- in itself make the possibility plausible.
(note to self -- I have a lot of company with similar passive logic to cover my back)
This would simply be too bad to be true - yet American's freedoms have been reduced based on the effects we now have in our changed culture - due solely to 9-11 events.
We now readily accept our "Big Bro's" protective eavesdropping, camera surveillancing and unwarranted personal searches for the sake of "The Security for the People". That equates in my pea brain as allowing government a greater ability to gain a foot hold for CONTROL of the common people.
We readily accepted the goal to remove the known tyrant Saddam from his country and willingly bankrolled the mobilization of American troops . ( we can only guess as to all the whys that was sooo important.)
I believe a few people have obscenely profited from the results of the 9-11 attacks. So obscene personal greed cannot be left off the list.
Frank - so, any reasons I come up with would fall short from a complete list, and could be incorrect for that matter
- what if?
You demand a suitable answer before you will consider any plausibility- as this "too bad to be true" stunt is too horrendous to consider or associate with.
That IMO demonstrates a passive in nature. Controlling governments need passive folk in the ranks.
If the released (guard station perspective?) pictures look like the nose of a 757 to you headed toward the Pentagon- then the shocker is not from the now released pictures - but from intelligent Americans refusing to step on the third rail and demand the other video records of this impact and answers to credible questions.
Those pictures simply don't prove anything other than more questions need to be answered IMO.
Frank- you have yet to explain why in your opinion (since you were only 3 blocks away), only wtc7 and no others - which were even closer to the fallen buildings -was the only one to collapse from collateral damage- and so picture perfectly imploded at that?
Hard to answer that one- but you are fine to; let's just move on to the whys ????? mercy...
Now - it appears your inability to consider that our government and countrymen are capable of killing innocent Americans for some unexplained reason does not- in itself make the possibility plausible.
(note to self -- I have a lot of company with similar passive logic to cover my back)
This would simply be too bad to be true - yet American's freedoms have been reduced based on the effects we now have in our changed culture - due solely to 9-11 events.
We now readily accept our "Big Bro's" protective eavesdropping, camera surveillancing and unwarranted personal searches for the sake of "The Security for the People". That equates in my pea brain as allowing government a greater ability to gain a foot hold for CONTROL of the common people.
We readily accepted the goal to remove the known tyrant Saddam from his country and willingly bankrolled the mobilization of American troops . ( we can only guess as to all the whys that was sooo important.)
I believe a few people have obscenely profited from the results of the 9-11 attacks. So obscene personal greed cannot be left off the list.
Frank - so, any reasons I come up with would fall short from a complete list, and could be incorrect for that matter
- what if?
You demand a suitable answer before you will consider any plausibility- as this "too bad to be true" stunt is too horrendous to consider or associate with.
That IMO demonstrates a passive in nature. Controlling governments need passive folk in the ranks.
If the released (guard station perspective?) pictures look like the nose of a 757 to you headed toward the Pentagon- then the shocker is not from the now released pictures - but from intelligent Americans refusing to step on the third rail and demand the other video records of this impact and answers to credible questions.
Those pictures simply don't prove anything other than more questions need to be answered IMO.
Quote from frank grimes:
I was not at the Pentagon, I was about 3 blocks from wtc 1 nd 2 when they hit, u felt it, do I know the integrity of the buildings around wtc7, no I really don't, but do you? The question I ask is why would our own gov't kill our own people? Give me a true and factual answer and I will respond in kind.
JAGUARBONE,
Very well said. It took me some time to get the idea settled, but I have an open mind and will consider other things even if at first they look unbelievable.
I will give you an example of why our questions will probably not be answered.
I have a friend, who is a very educated and intelligent man. Way smarter than me. And I would definitely put him way above average. When I mentioned to him the idea that 9/11 is not what it seems, and that perhaps government had a role in it. I just said "perhaps", he got extremely defensive and said that even mentioning things like this should be treated as treason.
Here you go. The mass psychology is in denial. To paraphrase someone on this thread, vast majority of people would unquestionably prefer to live in matrix rather than learning the truth. The truth in most instances hurts a lot.
Regards,
redduke
Very well said. It took me some time to get the idea settled, but I have an open mind and will consider other things even if at first they look unbelievable.
I will give you an example of why our questions will probably not be answered.
I have a friend, who is a very educated and intelligent man. Way smarter than me. And I would definitely put him way above average. When I mentioned to him the idea that 9/11 is not what it seems, and that perhaps government had a role in it. I just said "perhaps", he got extremely defensive and said that even mentioning things like this should be treated as treason.
Here you go. The mass psychology is in denial. To paraphrase someone on this thread, vast majority of people would unquestionably prefer to live in matrix rather than learning the truth. The truth in most instances hurts a lot.
Regards,
redduke
neophyte321
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Despite the sheer lunacy of this thread, thought I'd chime in.
Perhaps the weight of 2 108 story buildings falling from a quarter mile in the sky shook the foundation of wtc#7 so violently, that it could no longer stand.
If these is what amounts to "evidence" of a government conspiracy there really is no need to investigate further.
Why only wtc#7 you ask?
Why did Hartford build an arena which roof collapsed? There are many, many arenas, and none of their roofs have collapsed?
WHY DAMMIT, WHY?
http://www.eng.uab.edu/cee/faculty/ndelatte/case_studies_project/Hartford Civic Center/hartford.htm
I'm torn between looking at the internet as a incredible way to transfer huge amounts of knowledge or an incredible proliferator of stupidity.
Perhaps the weight of 2 108 story buildings falling from a quarter mile in the sky shook the foundation of wtc#7 so violently, that it could no longer stand.
If these is what amounts to "evidence" of a government conspiracy there really is no need to investigate further.
Why only wtc#7 you ask?
Why did Hartford build an arena which roof collapsed? There are many, many arenas, and none of their roofs have collapsed?
WHY DAMMIT, WHY?
http://www.eng.uab.edu/cee/faculty/ndelatte/case_studies_project/Hartford Civic Center/hartford.htm
I'm torn between looking at the internet as a incredible way to transfer huge amounts of knowledge or an incredible proliferator of stupidity.