Finally !!! ASK QUESTIONS, DEMAND ANSWERS.

achilles28 · Mar 8, 2006

More ad hominem from the man who supposedly has all the answers.

Your response holds no substance. Only insults. The epitome of intellectual sloth.

Despite what you think, I'm genuinely interested in the truth and any rational discourse that gets us closer to it.

If you can prove some or all claims made in the video false, please do so. I sincerely welcome any attempt towards that end.

Please keep in mind, all of us doubters regarding the 'official version' of 9/11 - or 'moonbats', as you prefer to call us - can't be so easily lumped together by common party affiliation, intellect or world views.

I know this complicates it for you. But this is much more representative of reality and life in general.

Don't you think?

Avid_Consumer · Mar 8, 2006

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Besides, moonbats never want "debate." Your minds are already made up.

Quote from Avid_Consumer:

i think it's healthy to have questions, and strange to me that anyone could be so certain of either possibility, let alone assert that certainty as strongly as hap is comfortable doing

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i'm definitely willing to accept that i could be wrong tho.

i think the reality here is the exact opposite of what you're asserting hapaboy. you must be going through some hard emotional shit out there. maybe you had an abusive parent who always had to be right. in any case, if you can't take the time to read (or even get the obvious gist) of my posts before blurting out a shitload of raw insults, why shouldn't i assume all of your views are equally uninformed?

JohnnyK · Mar 8, 2006

"Let's roll!"

So what happened to those on flight 93? Were they taken away and shot?

JohnnyK · Mar 8, 2006

Where all the gold go?

Is this some new kind of alchemy?

I'm glad W finally approved of Dick's handling of the bird shot incedent. He seemed a little upset at first.

achilles28 · Mar 8, 2006

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Yeah, achilles, you're REALLY up for rational discourse.

ROFLMAO!!

As opposed to what? Stick my head in the sand - like you - and pretend the red flags don't exist?

That is just as funny. If it weren't so dangerous.

Most Americans are like you. Most people are afraid to acknowledge sept 11th's inconsistencies, contradictions and smoking guns.

Because they fear:

1) Being labelled a 'conspiracist'.

Nowadays, this convenient blanket-term quickly short-circuits earnest discourse and immediately impugns the creditability of an inquirers' ENTIRE character when simply questioning Government integrity.

'ooooooh, did you hear about Wendy? Shes thinks there could be a conspiracy. AGHAST!!'

Governments apparently don't conspire anymore. Just in every other country on the face of the fucking planet. duh.

Open your eyes.

2) The Government.

The last century saw Americans give up their rights wholesale in exchange for massive Government bureaucracy and grossly Federal expanded power.

Citizens no longer rule this country. Government does. People know this, and they're afraid to speak against it.

JohnnyK · Mar 8, 2006

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Citizens no longer rule this country. Government does. People know this, and they're afraid to speak against it.

True.

But it will come down with the towers if it's true W downed them. I don't see them getting away with it, and then the sacrifices made that day will make more sense.

JohnnyK

hapaboy · Mar 8, 2006

Quote from achilles28:

More ad hominem from the man who supposedly has all the answers.

Where did I say I have all the answers?

Your response holds no substance. Only insults. The epitome of intellectual sloth.

I'm sorry if you think my thinking that your thinking is absurd is insulting.

Despite what you think, I'm genuinely interested in the truth and any rational discourse that gets us closer to it.

Yes, this statement clearly shows your objectivity:

Quote from achilles28:

Its probably a mix of three and four.

If you can prove some or all claims made in the video false, please do so. I sincerely welcome any attempt towards that end.

What proof would satisfy you? What sources do you deem credible? Are you unable to find such proof by other means than posting to Chit Chat? Or are online sources merely the domain of the "official version" of things?

Please keep in mind, all of us doubters regarding the 'official version' of 9/11 - or 'moonbats', as you prefer to call us - can't be so easily lumped together by common party affiliation, intellect or world views.

This is true. The 9/11 conspiracy moonbat is a sub-set of the general moonbat. However, I'd wager that the majority of 9/11 conspiracy moonbats are from the Left.

I know this complicates it for you. But this is much more representative of reality and life in general.

Don't you think?

Not complicated at all. I leave you to "probably" thinking that the Bush administration either knew about the 9/11 attacks and did nothing to stop them and/or orchestrated the event.

achilles28 · Mar 8, 2006

Quote from JohnnyK:

"Let's roll!"

So what happened to those on flight 93? Were they taken away and shot?

Nobody knows for sure.

Some alternative versions of sept 11th speculate the real planes were either 'disposed of' or remote controlled and flown into the buildings.

The rationale behind it: navigating a full size commercial airliner (drives like a motorhome) into relatively small fixed target - at 500 mph - would be extremely difficult for an inexperienced commercial pilot - let alone novice pilots that could barely manage single engine cessnas.

achilles28 · Mar 8, 2006

Quote from JohnnyK:

True.

But it will come down with the towers if it's true W downed them. I don't see them getting away with it, and then the sacrifices made that day will make more sense.

I agree. If it comes out. But we still don't know who shot Kennedy.

Oh yes. Oswald acted alone. And the magic bullet entered Kennedys anterior left shoulder blade, took a 90 degree turn, entered yadda yadda...

Total bs.

hapaboy · Mar 8, 2006

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As opposed to what? Stick my head in the sand - like you - and pretend the red flags don't exist?

I don't stick my head in the sand. I'm just rational, and don't see red flags where none exist.

That is just as funny. If it weren't so dangerous.

Most Americans are like you. Most people are afraid to acknowledge sept 11th's inconsistencies, contradictions and smoking guns.

Disagree. Most Americans are unlike you in the sense that they don't subscribe to ridiculous notions that the President of the United Stated and his Administration were party to a terrorist attack. Do you even realize how many THOUSANDS of people would have to be involved to keep this a secret?!? Does your paranoia run that deep?

Because they fear:

1) Being labelled a 'conspiracist'.

No, it's not that they fear being labelled a conspiracist. They simply don't believe it. Stating that people are afraid of agreeing with you is a convenient way of elevating yourself to a higher nobility - on false pretenses, of course.

Governments apparently don't conspire anymore. Just in every other country on the face of the fucking planet. duh.

Open your eyes.

Of course governments conspire, and on many issues. Always have, always will. But not something like this.

Citizens no longer rule this country. Government does. People know this, and they're afraid to speak against it.

Gee, government rules this country. Surely not an overnight occurence now, is it? Good grief....and WHO is afraid to speak against it? I hear comments like yours everyday. Noone I know is afraid of calling Bush all sorts of names, and in public. Where do you live? Inside the Pentagon?