Finally, a global climate weather expert with a PROVEN track record

Quote from Ricter:

I was responding to jficquette's clip about CO2 having no effect on weather.
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Watch the video clips. Those were his words not mind.

People have admitted lying yet you still believe. Strange.
 
Quote from jficquette:

Watch the video clips. Those were his words not mind.

People have admitted lying yet you still believe. Strange.
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Which is why I said "he", not "you".

Excitable forum today.
 
Quote from wjk:

AGW or reduced Sunspot activity? Which will win?

From June (sorry if it has been posted elsewhere):

"Sun spot cycle impacting global warming and cooling"

http://www.examiner.com/x-4648-Atla...ot-cycle-impacting-global-warming-and-cooling
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Here we go again, the diligent journalists at the Examiner have unearthed another revelation that isn't. If we actually read the article, we find the quote:

Thomas Woods, solar scientist at the University of Colorado in Boulder concludes, "The fluctuations in the solar cycle impacts Earth's global temperature by about 0.1 degree Celsius, slightly hotter during solar maximum and cooler during solar minimum. The sun is currently at its minimum, and the next solar maximum is expected in 2012."
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0.1C is an order of magnitude smaller than human induced warming and much smaller than that projected by models. What's more it's cyclical on a scale of a decade or two. Never let little things like numbers get in the way of sowing doubt and confusion.

But it gets worse. The previous paragraph blathers on

Past research has shown that the sun goes through eleven-year cycles. At the cycle's peak, solar activity occurring near sunspots is particularly intense, basking the Earth in solar heat. According to Robert Cahalan, a climatologist at the Goddard Space Flight Center, "Right now, we are in between major ice ages, in a period that has been called the Holocene."
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It is a rhetorical trick to conflate "ice age" with "solar cycle" in the mind of the casual reader, though the time frame of one is a decade or two and the time frame of the other is millenia.

This is not science, it is propaganda.

The "revelations" in these sorts of articles always have a subtext that they have uncovered some "fact" that the climate scientists have somehow overlooked. You can see here that the NASA Goddard researchers do include changes in the Sun as a forcing in their climate models

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And what is more, it is a positive forcing, which means that they attribute some warming to the Sun.

Move along folks, the Examiner has little to offer here.
 
If you are talking climate, global warming a couple topics need to be included.
First, the solar system is passing through the high energy center plane of the galaxy. Orbiting around the Milky Way the solar system oscillates above and below the center plane and we are passing through the densest radiation emanating from the galaxy center. The sun is absorbing it getting brighter plus a phenomenon called flashing is increasing. The whole solar system is getting it . Results are here:

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index....ecord_id=469DD8F9-802A-23AD-4459-CC5C23C24651


http://seoblackhat.com/2007/03/04/global-warming-on-mars-pluto-triton-and-jupiter/



The other issue is that we and the Russians, and who knows who else, have been manipulating weather patterns for decades. One program is called HAARP. Tesla started experimenting with resonance in the upper atmosphere in 1899. Based on Tesla’s work, installations all over the globe are transmitting thousands of megawatts into the upper atmosphere. Puharich discovered that the Schumann resonance frequencies used interfere with our brain wave patterns, that’s another headache to deal with. Puharich invented the teslar chip to protect the wearer from elf waves.

Everyone loves to talk about the weather, but it’s definitely more complex than co2 or methane from termites & cows.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkLTzesBxGE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi1nLmlicxU&feature=related


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I don't believe the article was taking one side or the other. Do you believe the info in the following is true, and if so, doesn't that give the article credibility?

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/solarcyclestory.pdf
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It's not an issue of whether the "info" is true. Some is, some isn't. At issue is whether the conclusion is supported by evidence.

As acknowledged by the author, this solar cycle argument which is the core of the article originates in a 1991 paper by Friis-Christensen, E., and K. Lassen. It is quite famous because it presents a graph showing an apparent strong correlation between solar cycle length and temperature.

This paper has been heavily criticized for the way it handles the data, including some arithmetic errors. In particular the corrected cycle data shows very little correlation with temperature after 1950. See here:

http://www.realclimate.org/damon&laut_2004.pdf

The corrected graph is attached:
 

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If you are talking climate, global warming a couple topics need to be included.
First, the solar system is passing through the high energy center plane of the galaxy. Orbiting around the Milky Way the solar system oscillates above and below the center plane and we are passing through the densest radiation emanating from the galaxy center. The sun is absorbing it getting brighter plus a phenomenon called flashing is increasing. The whole solar system is getting it . Results are here:

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index....ecord_id=469DD8F9-802A-23AD-4459-CC5C23C24651


http://seoblackhat.com/2007/03/04/global-warming-on-mars-pluto-triton-and-jupiter/


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What a lot of nonsense. Show me any credible reference that maintains the sun is getting "brighter" because it is absorbing cosmic rays.

The issue of climate change on other planets is closely related to planet specific factors. For example unusually large and persistent dust storms on Mars are believed to be a major factor in reducing the planet's albedo.
 
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