When Democrats run the show, hope and change is just around the corner when it comes to police reform. Just ask Black Lives Matter:
It sounds like he attacked/killed the police officer to avoid being arrested. Yes, blacks can be racist too. There have been several incidences where black people have been accused of racist hate crimes this year, particularly against Asians. Every race has their racists. However, there’s not systemic racism against whites in this country.As expected, this thread diverted into a gun discussion when guns were not part of either case. Anything to avoid discussing the possibility that there is racism against white police officers.
I agree. If there were tougher gun laws there would be less gun violence. There would be less school shooters. But let's not think that Chicago suddenly becomes gun free overnight.
It is a common criticism that the criminals of Chicago get their guns from traffickers who source the guns in red states. The criminals in Chicago and elsewhere have already shown a willingness to purchase guns illegally. New laws will disrupt but not destroy this flow.
Gun traffickers from Mexico will be happy to fill this void. At some point personal responsibility must be a factor.
I understand, did you not say that you are not happy with how Joe Biden is handling police reform and that you would vote for Trump (out of spite).
Biden and Dems laid the groundwork for some student loan forgiveness with the covid bill so I think that will happen.Hopefully they are being smart about it and forgive around 10,000 before the mid terms with a promise of more if they keep The House and make gains in The Senate.They can do another 10k right before 2024 with a promise of more if Biden or Harris wins in 2024.
Black people automatically vote for Democrats regardless of the issues but they don't turnout the same regardless of the issues/circumstances.Obama didn't need the black voter turnout that he got in 2008 but he got it for being the first black president.He needed the high black voter turnout he got in 2012 and would have lost without it.Blacks delivered in 2012 because he was their black president and they were angry with the racist treatment from republicans to Obama the past 4 years.
Hillary didn't inspire blacks nor did any of her polices so they stayed home.They voted around 90% for Hillary but the turn out was much lower than 2008 and 2012 especially in black cities in crucial swing states.
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2020 was about hatred of Trump and BLM.Dems took their side on BLM so they come out in high numbers like they did in 2008 and 2012.BLM and Police brutality is probably the biggest issue for blacks now and if they see they are voting for Dems but Dems aren't doing anything about it they will stay home in 2022 and 2024 imo.If they stay home Biden loses like Hillary did.
Police brutality is a huge issue for me too.Not only does it makes me sick to see the cops who murdered Brianna Taylor,Timir Rice,Philando Castillo etc walk away scot free as well as the treatment of minorities from police it hits home for me.My brother has a son with a black women who is my nephew and Godson.He's only 3 now but when he grows up police will see him as a black man and that scares the shit out of me.I will never be a full time republican but I probably wont vote or donate a 2nd time to any democrat that does nothing about it.At minimum I will stay home.It is possible I would donate and vote for Trump to punish Biden and Harris for not doing anything.The House police reform bill passed with my Rep voting for it so the Dem Congressional candidates have my vote and a donation in 2022 and 2024,Biden at this point does not.
Okay, you have been reduced to personal insults and blabbering endlessly because you cannot make a valid point. You tried to derail the discussion into a gun debate and that didn't work. When I pointed out that the majority of these cases of police brutality and murder happen in Democrat controlled Cities and States then you really started running on fumes.
Do I need to dig up the quote where TonyStark said he would vote for Trump in 2024? Does that not serve as the ultimate proof point (relative to this board) of how useless the Democrats are.
At some point, you have to take personal responsibility. I know you will always have an excuse handy. But at some point, results matter. Results matter to Tony. I can see that they don't matter with you. You rather deflect, deviate, and derail any discussion. Just having the Democrats in power is enough for you. Results and change be damned!
I said might, or I would stay home.I said I would vote for my Dem Congressional cadidates because they passed and support a police reform bill.
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"might" = "very possible"...umm...okayTrue.Its about sending Democrats a message.If you don't deliver they won't be voting for you a second time.Police reform is very important to me too.Its very possible I vote Trump or Desantis in 2024 if Biden doesn't deliver on stopping police brutality than go back to voting Dem in 2028.
When Democrats run the show, hope and change is just around the corner when it comes to police reform. Just ask Black Lives Matter:
You have a burning desire to debate gun control even if that means crow barring it into a thread. When confronted with the fact that Democrats are in power where the majority of the high profile police murders and racial unrest take place, you revert back to the gun control topic.Your “point” about democrat cities isn’t an actual point because of the way states are constructed under the constitution. I get this is way over your head but just trust me, you don’t know what you’re talking about here.
You’re point about states would be legitimate if it were true but it’s not. Republican states have much higher rates of gun violence than democrat states.
My point about aggressive policing being based on availability of guns is true. You just lack the ability to understand a complication that includes a third factor.
As to insults, I have room for legitimate debate but what I have zero patience for is people who want to push their opinion on the other people without the proper knowledge of what they are talking about. It takes time and effort to understand complicated matters and serious thought to actually have a valid opinion. You have done none of that. You are the McDonald’s of forum posters. You fast, easy, cheap and bad for people. You should keep your opinions to yourself.
"might" = "very possible"...umm...okay