Few will question if this is racially motivated.

[UsualName]

You are so hung up on guns. Your obsession and naiveté is childlike. As if violence begins and ends with guns. As if humans have no agency or self control around guns. If only criminals and cops didn't have guns, there would be no violence.

Again, you’re too simple minded to understand a complication that includes a third factor.

The tension against police is based on aggressive policing. Aggressive policing is needed because police have to use tactics that factor in the probability of guns in every encounter they have. You ignore the problem is a twofold dynamic that will not resolve without stricter gun laws.

Police cannot adopt less aggressive tactics with the availability of guns as they are now. They’ll end up getting killed on routine encounters. That will not change.

On the other hand people will not accept aggressive policing.

There in lies the tension.

You either believe people will be subdued into accepting aggressive policing or that police will adopt less aggressive measures when guns are still easily available. Neither of which will happen.

You look at this stuff and think it’s simple human behavior but it’s all an effect of loose guns in America. Guns makes police adopt aggressive tactics, aggressive tactics cause tension with citizens.

 

[UsualName]

You are too simpled minded if you believe a lack of guns or police training will stop racist police. Rodney King (one of the most historical incidents of police brutality) happened with batons in a Democrat run city. Rodney King was beaten by racist police.

You are so simple minded to believe that a lack of guns would have stopped this behavior. Racism existed before guns and it will exist without guns. Your fixation on guns as it relates to police brutality, racism, and crime is extremely myopic.

So race factor is related to socioeconomics. This not saying there aren’t racist police just that there are higher rates of poverty in minority communities and poverty is the most predominant factor in crime. We do overpolice minority communities but that is more related to systemic discriminatory housing policies going back to at least the 1930s.

 

[MoneyMatthew]

We do overpolice minority communities

Then stop doing that! Start with the Democrat run cities. No Republicans are stopping you on the county level. Go for it! Stop making excuses and get out there and fix your cities.

You're welcome.

 

[UsualName]

Then stop doing that! Start with the Democrat run cities. No Republicans are stopping you on the county level. Go for it! Stop making excuses and get out there and fix your cities.

You're welcome.

I can fix democrat cities as much as you can fix Republican states that have higher gun violence than democrat states.

Also, your argument about cities is asinine. Cities, localities, municipalities etc are all under the authority of a state. Most localities aren’t even allowed to pass laws, that’s why they are called ordinances. They’re are subject to state laws and funding. If you understood the country you lived in you wouldn’t even make that argument because you would know it’s just stupid.

 

[El OchoCinco]

I am glad there are very strict laws on the books for attacking or killing a cop. It is a much more severe felony and comes with higher penalties. If you attack or killa cop you will get thrown into prison and there is no paid vacations.

All we ask is that when cops kill people they get the same treatment when we clearly find they murdered an unarmed person or executed a sentence on their own.

 

[MoneyMatthew]

Also, your argument about cities is asinine. Cities, localities, municipalities etc are all under the authority of a state.

Great news! Most of these states are run by Democrats. But wait, there's more! You have the House, the Senate, and The Presidency!!!

But all of that is meaningless because Democrats will not solve any of these problems. Even TonyStark said he would vote for Trump if he does not get his way. He knows, deep down, no matter how much power the Democrats have, they will not deliver the social change that he wants.

You are a mindless drone married to one party. At least Tony had the guts to publicly say what he said. Some people want results. Others just want warm feelings, platitudes, and empty promises.

 

[UsualName]

Great news! Most of these states are run by Democrats. But wait, there's more! You have the House, the Senate, and The Presidency!!!

But all of that is meaningless because Democrats will not solve any of these problems. Even TonyStark said he would vote for Trump if he does not get his way. He knows, deep down, no matter how much power the Democrats have, they will not deliver the social change that he wants.

You are a mindless drone married to one party. At least Tony had the guts to publicly say what he said. Some people want results. Others just want warm feelings, platitudes, and empty promises.

This is just more ignorance from you about the government of the country you live in. It’s sad that you keep showing the whole forum you walk around in a daze dreaming about the way you think the world should work instead learning about how things like your own government is constructed and the parameters in which it operates.

You see these complicated issues and boil them down to what you’re fed from right wing media and can’t even think for yourself. It’s democrat this and democrat that with you. You can’t even allow for an inch that maybe you’re looking these matter in only the simple way you’re fed them and you’re just regurgitating the simple things you’re fed.

I bet you think you’re being clever with this democrat city argument you make because there’s a dozen other dimwits here that drone off that same ignorant trope. But that’s the problem with group think, if you get enough idiots in the same group they’ll forget they’re actually a group of idiots.

 

[MoneyMatthew]

This is just more ignorance from you about the government of the country you live in. It’s sad that you keep showing the whole forum you walk around in a daze dreaming about the way you think the world should work instead learning about how things like your own government is constructed and the parameters in which it operates.

You see these complicated issues and boil them down to what you’re fed from right wing media and can’t even think for yourself. It’s democrat this and democrat that with you. You can’t even allow for an inch that maybe you’re looking these matter in only the simple way you’re fed them and you’re just regurgitating the simple things you’re fed.

I bet you think you’re being clever with this democrat city argument you make because there’s a dozen other dimwits here that drone off that same ignorant trope. But that’s the problem with group think, if you get enough idiots in the same group they’ll forget they’re actually a group of idiots.

Okay, you have been reduced to personal insults and blabbering endlessly because you cannot make a valid point. You tried to derail the discussion into a gun debate and that didn't work. When I pointed out that the majority of these cases of police brutality and murder happen in Democrat controlled Cities and States then you really started running on fumes.

Do I need to dig up the quote where TonyStark said he would vote for Trump in 2024? Does that not serve as the ultimate proof point (relative to this board) of how useless the Democrats are.

At some point, you have to take personal responsibility. I know you will always have an excuse handy. But at some point, results matter. Results matter to Tony. I can see that they don't matter with you. You rather deflect, deviate, and derail any discussion. Just having the Democrats in power is enough for you. Results and change be damned!

 

[Tony Stark]

Okay, you have been reduced to personal insults and blabbering endlessly because you cannot make a valid point. You tried to derail the discussion into a gun debate and that didn't work. When I pointed out that the majority of these cases of police brutality and murder happen in Democrat controlled Cities and States then you really started running on fumes.

Do I need to dig up the quote where TonyStark said he would vote for Trump in 2024? Does that not serve as the ultimate proof point (relative to this board) of how useless the Democrats are.

At some point, you have to take personal responsibility. I know you will always have an excuse handy. But at some point, results matter. Results matter to Tony. I can see that they don't matter with you. You rather deflect, deviate, and derail any discussion. Just having the Democrats in power is enough for you. Results and change be damned!

This debate is between you and UsualName,not me.

 

[MoneyMatthew]

This debate is between you and UsualName,not me.

I understand, did you not say that you are not happy with how Joe Biden is handling police reform and that you would vote for Trump (out of spite).