Fence in the queers

[Lucrum]

Quote from FixedGrin:

pretty much all homophobes are closeted homosexuals (closeted can mean they lie to others about being gay, or they lie to themselves about being gay).

Horse Shit

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from Ricter:

I don't agree with this, though I do know it's a popular "understanding". I think most homophobes are merely insecure, I don't think they are closet homos. As for the rest, they let their imagination run uncontrolled, and "look" behind closed doors at homosexual behavior, and it sickens them. It turns my stomach, too, if I think about it, so I don't think about it--leave it behind closed doors.

Who are you and what have you done with Ricter?

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from FixedGrin:

lol here's my now standard response to all posts regarding homosexuality: pretty much all homophobes are closeted homosexuals (closeted can mean they lie to others about being gay, or they lie to themselves about being gay). lying to yourself for years makes you deranged, as you can tell from these preachers.

Perhaps but the term homophobe is grossly over utilized and directed at people who merely object to it on moral or religious grounds and are not keen on considering it "normal " behavior" and giving it "special rights".

If just being opposed to another persons lifestyle and way of thinking makes you phobic then consider me a "LIBERALphobe".

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from futurecurrents:

Homophobia is almost completely due to ignorance. Once people truly "know" gayness is not a choice, they can no more assign "bad" to it as they can being born left-handed. Once the well-meaning folks who currently think being gay is somehow a choice know that it is indeed not a choice for the vast majority of gays, homophobia will go the way of the ideas of a flat earth and evil spirits.

The solution for much of the world's problems is knowledge. Leads to understanding. Leads to empathy. Then to correct, dare I say, Christian actions.

As a gay man I REALLY don't need some fag-hag liberal like yourself in my corner calling every one who disagrees with you a "homophobe".

As a matter of fact I think a lot of the anger people have towards homosexuality is in reality an abject rejection of liberal in your face indoctrination and bullying.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

...As a matter of fact I think a lot of the anger people have towards homosexuality is in reality an abject rejection of liberal in your face indoctrination and bullying.

I believe there is more than just a little truth in that statement.

 

[pspr]

Quote from Lucrum:

I believe there is more than just a little truth in that statement.

The argument is that homosexuality is a sin against God and cannot be condoned. It certainly cannot be equated to or called marriage which is a God sanctioned union.

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from pspr:

The argument is that homosexuality is a sin against God and cannot be condoned. It certainly cannot be equated to or called marriage which is a God sanctioned union.

When will people learn mixing religion and the State is a bad idea?

Before the advent of the personal income tax and the welfare state, how the govt defined marriage was basically irrelevant.

Without govt largess/(nannyism) at stake, it's a non-issue.

 

[indythink75]

Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

When will people learn mixing religion and the State is a bad idea?

Before the advent of the personal income tax and the welfare state, how the govt defined marriage was basically irrelevant.

Without govt largess/(nannyism) at stake, it's a non-issue.

I have to apologize to you, even though I was hassled a bit about posting from the office.

I admire you for being a gay man who understands the conflict between Religion and the State. And, fwiw, I think the legal aspect of marriage is of no concern to the State. Small government types keep ranting about big government, yet they want to control what goes on everyone's personal life. And, we need to keep Mr. Romney on track to accept the fact that some people are born gay. And, get with busting Obama for the real issues.

 

[nutmeg]

I read somewhere that we should just outlaw "marriage".

I tend to agree to outlaw marriage would solve the gay marriage problem.

Now everyone can just get a civil union. Hetero's and homo's. everyone's civil union is recognized as lawful and equal. Game over.

 

[indythink75]

Quote from nutmeg:

I read somewhere that we should just outlaw "marriage".

I tend to agree to outlaw marriage would solve the gay marriage problem.

Now everyone can just get a civil union. Hetero's and homo's. everyone's civil union is recognized as lawful and equal. Game over.

Agree totally. Marriage should be a religious issue, call it what you want. The legal aspects of cohabitation should not be governed by Religion. I want my marriage supported by my Religion, and could care less about the legal aspects.