Feedback appreciated. My Journal Begins...

I like the strategy of trading the opening range. Lately I have been thinking about developing my own system based off the first 5 or 15 minute range. The markets open 5 days a week and they breakout one way or another every single day. The last few years it seems like the vast majority of trading days consist only of that first move or two outside of the opening range and then price just drifts around the rest of the day. Sure, when volatility is there, the opportunities are great, but it seems rare anymore. I like trading ES and NQ, but I just feel like I am spinning my wheels when it doesn't bounce around like I want. Another big bonus about trading the opening range is you are done trading earlier in the day, unless you are riding a nice winner. Why sit in front of a computer for an extended period of time if you are not riding a winner? I think it is a great idea and I wish you well with your journey. Oh, and great job taking 12 pts on a day NQ only had a 21 pt range. Keep up the good work!

Thanks Fort. I haven't been in SIM at all lately, and yesterday was good, but I do have a nice journey ahead of me.

NQ didn't do much after that break out.

-JS
 
Its more about nowing when to exit, i couldnt get my exits high enough to cover the losses.

Got to be prepared to hold all day and accept the risk with a SL below the range i think.


The challenge is what keeps me going!
Yeah, I haven't run numbers yet, but I would imagine playing an opening range b/o must be in the 50% range. Again, I "imagine" this. Testing later If I decide this route.
 
What about the earlier failed break out. It crosses below the magenta line marking the Low's of the opening range? Do you (or anyone else) know of any ways to avoid getting stopped into an unwanted entry there? There needs to be equality in the rules for taking bo's of the opening range. Even though it fails, it was indeed a bo.

Btw, great post! Thank you!

Hi dratsum, one rule that I have, and am testing, is having my buy stop at least 4 ticks outside of the range on either side. Attached is a chart where I show that one bar that did fail to break out. It came within 1 tick of hitting my sell order.

Avoiding getting stopped out? No. Limiting that loss? Yes. If I were entered on that failed b/o, I would have taking my small loss. Probably about 2 points. I would then play the other side b/o. If this one were also stopped out, I'm considering making a rule to end the opening range breakout play.

One can also play this moment in different ways as well. PA is always different. For example, when price breaks a range, sometimes, it will retest the R level it broke out of providing a good pullback entry.

NQ had that too yesterday.

Lastly, I'm working hard at finding my signals in the 5 minute. 1 minute I tend to crack-trade. Here's the 5. The 1 m above I used to simply analyze supply demand and manage the trade.

Hope that answers your question.

You can't avoid a loss. If we try to "avoid" losses, then we are trying to be "right". Being "right", has no place in trading.

-JS
 

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Go back to 1Min but use Heiken Ashi to filter out the noise your seeing, on a good day it's a simple as HA turns up, go long, 10pts later, HA says reverse and 10pips later!!

Obviously not all days are that easy, but surprising a lot are.

I keep looking at normal candle sticks and wondering how the hell I ever traded that noise and madness.
 
Hope you all enjoyed your thanksgiving.

Today was a neat day. Some success and some struggle.

I played the opening range breakout on the 5 minute again, and had success. It got 5 points. I'm considering managing this specific trade on a 1 minute after entry in the 5.

I only took 5 points, because price reached the bottom of the pre market trading range. Every bar in the 1 show it heading down more. I missed the 50 something drop. I was faced with that emotion of chasing. Missing out. Then I remembered, "WAIT A MINUTE". Markets do what markets do. They reflect PA. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. And I have to be completely ok with it.

My words were great. Good first step. My actions were not. Talk is cheap mother fucker.

I, decided to enter the extremely volatile crash, off a one minute chart entry. I'll be removing the 1 minute chart to help avoid this. However, simply removing the chart will not help my self-discipline. I choose. You don't. She doesn't. It doesn't. I choose. Was upset with myself because I didn't follow my plan of patiently waiting a 5 minute chart set up. Took a break, came back to calm.

After the crash, horizontal S became OBVIOUS R, great opportunity for short. And boy did I.

Last night and this morning have been a breakthrough for me in regards to horizontal levels. S/R. I've always had such a focus on trend lines. Trend lines are important, obviously, but I'm finding really nice PA around S/R levels.

Another breakthrough, has been my struggle with the 5 minute chart. It's been hard to unlearn the 1 minute's speed. The breakthrough for me was that the 5 minute really can be managed, and you can also continue to get really nice LOW-RISK entries. Just as in the 1m. I for some reason believed you can't manage on the 5 well. I for some reason believed you can't get low risk trades on the 5. If I'm patient, they are most definitely there.

Contradiction: 5m chart can be managed and have low risk entries. VS. Managing the trade on the 1m after opening range breakout. hmmm...

In closing, I'm at the end of Douglas. His exercise requires one to pick a set-up. Define each and every variable, and trade it like a casinos edge. That's my next step.

For some reason, embarrassingly, I'm finding it hard to CHOOSE the signal I want to perfect. And I think this "choosing one signal thing", might be exposing the perfectionist in me. Traders can't be perfectionists. The market doesn't like them. Perfectionists want to be right. There is no right or wrong in the market.

It's all random, anything can happen. I'm striving to incorporate this into my beliefs.

I'll get there.

-JS
 
More random musings



I chuckle when someone posts to the effect;

The bigger the TF – the bigger the risk needs to be…, or less opportunity exists on a higher TF chart


Bull…, Shit


$57.19 is the exact same on any TF chart

When price hit $57.19 @ 11:22 & 45 seconds on MM/DD/YY – it the same exact time…, and date – on every flippin TF chart

Why does???..., How can??? – anyone think it different - just because the TF higher

Use a lower TF as a microscopic view into a higher one




Must have my 1 min CRACK fix - ARGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!

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Price is certainly worked on the horizontal..., and diagonal

There is one additional dimension it worked on - time


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Random vs Uncertain

Mkt is never random – it is uncertain

And yes…, anything can happen – at any time


Until properly matured – trader’s actions are random - hence their expectations are met / missed randomly



RN
 
More random musings



I chuckle when someone posts to the effect;

The bigger the TF – the bigger the risk needs to be…, or less opportunity exists on a higher TF chart


Bull…, Shit


$57.19 is the exact same on any TF chart

When price hit $57.19 @ 11:22 & 45 seconds on MM/DD/YY – it the same exact time…, and date – on every flippin TF chart

Why does???..., How can??? – anyone think it different - just because the TF higher

Use a lower TF as a microscopic view into a higher one




Must have my 1 min CRACK fix - ARGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!

==================

Price is certainly worked on the horizontal..., and diagonal

There is one additional dimension it worked on - time


===================

Random vs Uncertain

Mkt is never random – it is uncertain

And yes…, anything can happen – at any time


Until properly matured – trader’s actions are random - hence their expectations are met / missed randomly



RN

I'm working really hard to get away from the drugs. LOL! CRACK KILLS. Maybe COLD TURKEY is best for a few weeks.

I saw today many opportunities on the 5 minute with less then 3 points at risk. Sometimes only 6 or 7 ticks. Good exercise.

How is price worked in time? Is that something I should learn? I'm trying to consider way's that works. Do you mean after 1130 when the big boys go play golf? Or maybe are you possibly referring to how it "takes time", for price to reverse and test another resistance level later on in the day? OR, is it just the fact that at at a "certain" time, price hit a resistance level and was immediately rejected. This "TIME" a rejection occurred, especially if recently, is something to consider, instead of a rejection that happened 17 years ago.

is it a recent vs past event? Recent bearing more weight on trader's decisions?

Random/Uncertain

I understand. Saying "it's all random" wasn't thought out well.

-JS
 
How is price worked in time?

Is that something I should learn?

I'm trying to consider way's that works.

Do you mean after 1130 when the big boys go play golf?

Or maybe are you possibly referring to how it "takes time", for price to reverse and test another resistance level later on in the day? OR, is it just the fact that at at a "certain" time, price hit a resistance level and was immediately rejected.

This "TIME" a rejection occurred, especially if recently, is something to consider, instead of a rejection that happened 17 years ago.

is it a recent vs past event? Recent bearing more weight on trader's decisions?

What..., and reveal my hard won secrets - surely you jest - LMAO


You're working on 1 set up - master that... then ask the above questions later (I simply don't want to throw you off track - what you're doing is important for consistency)

I'll PM you what to look for

And not to worry - it will not make...., or break you at this point

It simply another aspect of reading PA - there are so..., so many nuances to PA


RN
 
What..., and reveal my hard won secrets - surely you jest - LMAO





RN
LOL. I make a mean Etoufee! Learned from my father-in-law out of Beaumont, TX. It also has chicken wings.:D

You're working on 1 set up - master that... then ask the above questions later (I simply don't want to throw you off track - what you're doing is important for consistency)

I'll PM you what to look for

Thanks. I seem to be struggling there. I can't seem to figure out the issue either. I'm a bit upset that I've read/learned too much and now I see a plethora of signals. I'm more upset that it's taking me this long to choose one simple signal among the many I know.

Also, mapping horizontal has really opened my eyes to more signals, instead of a simply choosing a retracement after a line break.

How did you pick your first signal? You just picked one? Plain and simple move on?
 
LOL. I make a mean Etoufee! Learned from my father-in-law out of Beaumont, TX. It also has chicken wings.:D


If the Etoufee anything like the wings; I can be bought / bribed / persuaded / influenced / swayed :cool:




I'm more upset that it's taking me this long to choose one simple signal among the many I know.

Also, mapping horizontal has really opened my eyes to more signals, instead of a simply choosing a retracement after a line break.


And why I said I wouldn’t throw you off track right now – adding time…, will add more signals


Every tick…, is truly a signal

The real question always….

Is this particular tick – my signal



How did you pick your first signal? You just picked one? Plain and simple move on?


Like to say is was relatively easy and a pretty quick process

Course I would be lying my butt off (the only flippin thing I've ever found easy was losing my ass - ahh the good ole days - small wonder I don't miss em one bit)



Like you…, and most – I saw “perceived” potential in everything (think – I was a kid in a candy store)

Finally came to the realization that I couldn’t handle it all – nor did I need to

So I then proceeded to weed out and distill (simplify) down


I ended up with signals so simple – they are mind numbingly so (even a dumbass redneck can trade em)


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Aside

There has always raged a debate about just how important entries are

Some say entries are everything…, others say they're not so important – rather it the trade management that is all important


Personally…, I maintain it is neither – but rather a balance


Proper entries (imo) provide

Trade direction

Low risk

Maximum potential to capture profit from a given move


Proper management (imo) ensures

The lowest risk is garnered (when a trade breaks down)

Or

The maximum profit (our current skill affords) is garnered (when a trade works)


Again.., imo – they must work in unison…, not isolation – to reap maximum benefit


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Anyway I digressed


As to picking your poison – accept there are many (as many as there are ticks throughout a session) – but at this point – you only require one…, and ultimately – a few simple ones


Paralysis by analysis is quite a common affliction amongst aspiring traders - hell even among seasoned ones at times


To reiterate - you're onto an important aspect - that'll ultimately reap consistent benefit


RN
 
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