Feedback appreciated. My Journal Begins...

I recognize the frustration of having a working method go awry -we have all likely had this same experience- whether it's due to the personal /emotional issues or the market condition out of your control.- You know averaging down eventually is alosing proposition- take it out of the equation alltogether and don't entertain it agian- Trade based on the present set up and Risk as you see it - Don't trade when tired or emotional- be Objective-step away- step out a time frame .Or Two- You know this already- Likely better than I do.
as far as one method wortking- and then failing to work- Yes- that will happen more frequently in your time frame- and requires the ability on your part to discover when that trend is occurring- I would think that you have to adapt quicker on your time frame than I do- I see the trends as gradual- You likely see them as more sharp reversals- I think the best thing would be to reduce your position size in times of uncertainity- Maybe step out on a time frame or two and analyze whether you are in a wider consolidation or still within a trend- Become the tactical trader and sharpshooter on the higher time frame- when that choppiness occurs- You will succeed when you nail the moments that a trend occurs- You will bleed when you jump in the middle of a chop/consolidation- Lower your risk- trade the extremes of the swings for the best reward/entries. Target your entry. Yes, conditions change- Your success is determined by how well you can reduce Risk when that does not favor you- and to increase Risk when it does. This usually happens at the wide swings- Look higher on the time frames- step up and view the really bigger picture.
Yes- market conditions indeed change the overall environment- If you were able to double the account in one market environment- that favors you- know when that puts your trades in favor- that is your edge- Giving it back is painful- but we have all done that - ( I struggle with that myself) failed to adapt to a rapidly changing environment- market mood or swing- When we get defensive- we don't risk enough- When we feel we are on top of our game- we risk too much- Or perhaps we are too cautious- The key is to try to develop some consistency in our approach to the environment- The environment rules and changes -often daily on market emotion. Positioning ourselves to take advantage of swings in the market offers great contrarian advantage- On the recent market pullback, I actully didn't wait long to reenter-tactically- as the market had a sharp sell-off- Fortunately, the rebound was a sharp snap higher and the trades I made then were low risk and net profitable- Makes you feel you got it figured- but as you say- the next time will be different- The pullback & reentry will see a short bounce up and then drop lower-And Crap- I've lost money!
I've been there, doine that- and want to find a methodology that stops giving gains back- I give to charity at home- don't need to take that approach in my trading! I want to gain consistently- give back less , and then gain more-
Success is something that one can repeat-It is built on a solid foundation -perhaps fundamental- perhaps analytical and proven- or combination of all. Temporary extremes of success or failure are indeed extremes at both ends- One does not want to acquire overnight success- because it is fleeting and without substance- and will dissappear as easily- One wants to challenge one'sself- develop a consistency in a method and learn-over time- to believe in the method (s) or to refine it. Adapting to a changing market environment may prove when the method does not work well or fails- And it is time to step aside and evaluate- or adapt methods- One cannot be a "one-trick -Pony in trading and survive the swings over the short term- Stepping aside in times of turmoil in the markets is sound judgement- let the battle work itself out and then step back in- Become a trend trader-- or go to the sidelines in chop.
When you analyze your trades- objectively- Have you printed them out? How did you know to continue to take the trades that made you a winner -despite the 3 losing trades- What gave you the confidence to enter again? If you can explain that- you have an edge- It was not simply random in the way you managed those trades- Perhaps the market was indeed in your favor at the time- Good- You exploited that condition. Can you repeat that again Monday? What has to happen-?
It is said that we get what we want out of the markets and that only we hold ourselves back- It sounds like some kind of psychological mumbo-jumbo - but it's likely true- We get to a level and develop a certain comfort zone - Maybe we start a thread on ET -LOL! We plateau instead of pushing ourselves harder on the psyche end- or the analysis end of how effective our approach is-
I've been writing this too late- Good luck in your ability to step back and adapt- If that is what is needed-
OK- I started a thread on ET-
http://www.elitetrader.com/et/index.php?threads/long-term-position-trading-primarily-etfs.287664/
I will add to it on occaision-as time and interest permits- focus is not day trading though- I think this will help me "step up" my game a notch though- SD


Eccks that's a lot of reading, want to take this over to my thread in the Journals ??

Averaging down wise, was the main thing that turned my $700 into $10,000 it's just not working in the current market conditions, it's never that easy, it's never black and white it's always a shade of grey somewhere between the 2.

Can I repeat tomorrow, find out Monday I expect I should be able to, but I will need to be in a playful kinda mood, just playing a game after all :)

And I'm human, not a robot so I don't go into those depths of analysis, momentum is the only long term edge, start at the quickest ie immediate momentum and work outward.
 
Review. 10NOV2014

Trade #1: +3.75

1. Sold at a SL PB. 4155.
2. 4159. A breach of the SL.
3. 4146, pre mkt swing low, or breach of SL.
Notes: Saw weakness and decided to exit in order to book some profit. After exiting very large bull bar retraced entire move. ALmost.

Trade #2: -2.75

I didn't make a plan for this move, I just thought "continuation". The supply line broke and I should have been looking for a long PB. Lack of focus and discipline with my plan. Stopped out, rightfully so. Wasn't upset about it.

Trade #3: +4.25
1. Perfect Pull back after SL broke. Long at 4155.5
2. Initial stop 4153, which would breach DL
3. Supply Line created pre mkt. 4159.75. Or a breach of the DL I would exit.
Notes: SO far today, I'm learning how sometimes these small successes can add up. I don't have to be a greedy pig looking 20 point runs. Get in, take a chunk, get out.

Trade #4: -1.75

1. PB to DL. Long at 4161.25.
2. Initial Stop below DL, Plus 1 tick. 4159.
3. Target pre mkt high 4163.75. Or a breach of DL.
Notes, Stopped out because DL was breached, BY ONE TICK. AHHH. Little upset, but I said, "That's the game, let it go...next." Kept my head.

Trade #5: +3.25
1. Long on PB to DL, In a channel, 4162.75
2. Initial stop 4162.25. LOVE THIS. Great entry. If it breached DL, out. Signal Invalid.
3. Measured move. Channel in place. Target 4166 mean of channel.
Notes: Trade went much further! Even better? I wasn't bothered. Oh look at price move, cool, let it go, next opportunity. Right now, price is continually rising, my signal is not yet present, and I'm ok with this. I have to go to my JOB.

Summary, Profit of 6.75 points today.

I'm learning a lot of patience here in the 5. I was originally concerned that my signals wouldn't be here, etc... Its just not the case. I'm enjoying watching the 5 more, because I feel more in control, especially of myself. With the 1 there was so much analysis, bars printing very quickly etc...

I look forward to continuing this journey, and I'm about half way through Douglas "Trading in the Zone". Great material for anyone who has not read it.

My schedule for the week:
Tuesday must replay bar by bar
Wed, Morning SIM,
Thursday, replay
Friday --> Try to SIM, but I am watching my two daughters, one happens to be needy (3 months) If no SIM, replay.

I hope to attain SIM consistency during the rest of this year. I also hope to really learn a traders mindset as well.


Chart attached. Also, I enjoyed the candlesticks for some reason. I can't even explain it. I felt more in tune with them compared to OHLC bars. Granted they all represent PA.
 

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Review. 10NOV2014

Trade #2: -2.75

I didn't make a plan for this move, I just thought "continuation".

The supply line broke and I should have been looking for a long PB.

Lack of focus and discipline with my plan. Stopped out, rightfully so. Wasn't upset about it.

I could blow sunshine up yer skirt and say overall good job - but I won't

The above is problematic and very troublesome


One slip up in discipline - could be the one

That leads to more / reverting back
That leads to a tremendous loss
That leads to the loss that breaks you / your account


==========================

It only ever takes just one fuck up - and will for as long as you trade

=================


Granted..., ultimately you did the right thing (stopped out)

But it started out badly..., and could have ended a lot worse

Never allow yourself the indulgence - it's one we can never afford


RN
 
Eccks that's a lot of reading, want to take this over to my thread in the Journals ??

Averaging down wise, was the main thing that turned my $700 into $10,000 it's just not working in the current market conditions, it's never that easy, it's never black and white it's always a shade of grey somewhere between the 2.

Can I repeat tomorrow, find out Monday I expect I should be able to, but I will need to be in a playful kinda mood, just playing a game after all :)

And I'm human, not a robot so I don't go into those depths of analysis, momentum is the only long term edge, start at the quickest ie immediate momentum and work outward.
"Eccks that's a lot of reading, want to take this over to my thread in the Journals ??"
I apologize- I expressed my thinking without thinking. -expressing - " constructive beliefs" and i am neither qualified to spew advice- Nor a successful trader-qualified to expound on what one should or should not do- i think this desire to share my beliefs"is my ego's way to reinforce my recent enthusiasm of how i expect I will become the success i desire to be-If I just learn to get disciplined and do it ' right' . with consistency. i think it is best i concern myself with these type of thoughts-psyche structure in my own approach to the market-and not to try to another's approach- we all have our own approach- What is "right" for us- may just be for us-alone. Some will succeed in ways we cannot get our head around- Perhaps those that do so- simply do not trade like the average trader- this positive reinforcement stuff is just a personal issue I will work through.
That acknowledged- I will still ask questions- out of interest- and learning- Good Luck! SD
 
Review. 10NOV2014

Trade #1: +3.75

1. Sold at a SL PB. 4155.
2. 4159. A breach of the SL.
3. 4146, pre mkt swing low, or breach of SL.
Notes: Saw weakness and decided to exit in order to book some profit. After exiting very large bull bar retraced entire move. ALmost.

Trade #2: -2.75

I didn't make a plan for this move, I just thought "continuation". The supply line broke and I should have been looking for a long PB. Lack of focus and discipline with my plan. Stopped out, rightfully so. Wasn't upset about it.

Trade #3: +4.25
1. Perfect Pull back after SL broke. Long at 4155.5
2. Initial stop 4153, which would breach DL
3. Supply Line created pre mkt. 4159.75. Or a breach of the DL I would exit.
Notes: SO far today, I'm learning how sometimes these small successes can add up. I don't have to be a greedy pig looking 20 point runs. Get in, take a chunk, get out.

Trade #4: -1.75

1. PB to DL. Long at 4161.25.
2. Initial Stop below DL, Plus 1 tick. 4159.
3. Target pre mkt high 4163.75. Or a breach of DL.
Notes, Stopped out because DL was breached, BY ONE TICK. AHHH. Little upset, but I said, "That's the game, let it go...next." Kept my head.

Trade #5: +3.25
1. Long on PB to DL, In a channel, 4162.75
2. Initial stop 4162.25. LOVE THIS. Great entry. If it breached DL, out. Signal Invalid.
3. Measured move. Channel in place. Target 4166 mean of channel.
Notes: Trade went much further! Even better? I wasn't bothered. Oh look at price move, cool, let it go, next opportunity. Right now, price is continually rising, my signal is not yet present, and I'm ok with this. I have to go to my JOB.

Summary, Profit of 6.75 points today.

I'm learning a lot of patience here in the 5. I was originally concerned that my signals wouldn't be here, etc... Its just not the case. I'm enjoying watching the 5 more, because I feel more in control, especially of myself. With the 1 there was so much analysis, bars printing very quickly etc...

I look forward to continuing this journey, and I'm about half way through Douglas "Trading in the Zone". Great material for anyone who has not read it.

My schedule for the week:
Tuesday must replay bar by bar
Wed, Morning SIM,
Thursday, replay
Friday --> Try to SIM, but I am watching my two daughters, one happens to be needy (3 months) If no SIM, replay.

I hope to attain SIM consistency during the rest of this year. I also hope to really learn a traders mindset as well.


Chart attached. Also, I enjoyed the candlesticks for some reason. I can't even explain it. I felt more in tune with them compared to OHLC bars. Granted they all represent PA.
 
As a 'trend trader'- my technical question is what stopped you from allowing trade 5 - entered at the low of the channel- took a smaller profit- why did you not allow the trade to run further? Or- Why not lock in profit on 1/2- allow remaining 1/2 to run with stops raised below each closing bar low? or at the top of the channel?
Is there a reason to conclude the trade with a smaller target?
Why not allow a portion of a winning trade the opportunity to run higher until it fails to do so?
Why lock in small gains on successful entries- when the larger gains could be realized by getting the stop up to protect the entry- take partial profits- let the remainder run until it fails to do so.
If you are Sim trading- give this a try- test it out-
Take the trade- get the stop to BE- take profits on the initial target- perhaps 1:1 Risk to reward- Now you are up to where your entry cost is covered- -take 1/2 off- and follow the remaining move adjusting the stop below each low of each higher bar- ? The question becomes- can you take an entry at a channel or trend low- and see multiple bar gains?
Small stops and small gains are offset by a larger winning trade-would be my thinking in a trending market- The bigger trending trade- makes up for those minor losses- doesn't happen as often I expect- because trending is likely not the normal state- but perhaps it is worthwhile to consider allowing one to run when it occurs- Improves the P&L- Again- JMHO- Good Luck- Like your thread & charts! learning here-
 
I could blow sunshine up yer skirt and say overall good job - but I won't

The above is problematic and very troublesome


One slip up in discipline - could be the one

That leads to more / reverting back
That leads to a tremendous loss
That leads to the loss that breaks you / your account


==========================

It only ever takes just one fuck up - and will for as long as you trade

=================


Granted..., ultimately you did the right thing (stopped out)

But it started out badly..., and could have ended a lot worse

Never allow yourself the indulgence - it's one we can never afford


RN

I've been considering how to respond. And I was at work...

If I was some poor schlap trading for the fun of it, a hobby, not because I want a new career etc.., I would tell you how much progress I've made and you should be Oh So Happy...

I'm not some poor schlap, I want to trade for a living.

If I need to understand that taking trades outside of plan is this detrimental, than I need to understand this. I need to own this. I agree with you. The trade was out of plan. I was yet willing to take it. What else might I be willing to do, undisciplined, if it's this easy for me to do?

Thanks for pointing that out. It is as detrimental as you say it is. The best traders do not deviate.
 
As a 'trend trader'- my technical question is what stopped you from allowing trade 5 - entered at the low of the channel- took a smaller profit- why did you not allow the trade to run further?

Great question.

Easy answer...I'm still getting used to the 5 m. On the one minute, you can follow the demand line quicker. However, on the 5 minute with a strong bull bar like that, I could have held.

Hard Answer...while I was trading the 1 m, I found that I could get some REALLY nice runners. I also found, that MANY trades would come back to B/E. I did not look at todays activity after that last trade so I don't know what happened.

All in all, you are right. That trade had the potential to move much further, but I'm beginning to adapt the mind set of,

"Instead of riding the whole trend, including the pullbacks etc..., take out some chunks."

I want to produce a daily PnL...eventually. I wouldn't hold a trend all day ever. I would pull chunks out. Maybe that's just me. Maybe I need to change. But that is how I see myself trading. Pullback, take a chunk, go flat. Pullback, take a chunk, go flat. etc...

Lastly, if I were a swing trader such as yourself, I would hold through those pullbacks, as long as they didn't retrace more than 50% or so.

It also was a nice measured move with low risk.
 
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