Federal Study Shows Illegals are More likely to be Criminals

[gwb-trading]

This is how you go about in every thread, make stuff up and then blame others for not corroborating your fantasies. Like the last time you keep telling how New York feeds of federal welfare when your own link proved the opposite and then you would mischaracterize how Medicaid worked.

You posted a 'study' stating conclusions and I have to do calculations to prove your point? Are you kidding me? You have proven nothing but playing the evasive game as always.

So answer the question — WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE U.S. POPULATION ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS?

Are you incapable of even answering a basic question.

The federal reports provide clear figures on the percentages of the prison population who are illegal immigrants. It is very easy for a REASONABLE PERSON to make the comparison.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

The problem here is that we should not have to suffer any crimes by illegals. It is almost irrelevant if they are 3 times the native population or 7 times or even if, as improbably claimed, they are less. They are not supposed to be here, period. So anyone who claims there is not a terrible human cost to illegal immigration should have to explain that theory to Kate Steinle's parents or the parents and loved ones of hundreds of others killed or victimized by illegals.

 

[exGOPer]

So answer the question — WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE U.S. POPULATION ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS?

Are you incapable of even answering a basic question.

The federal reports provide clear figures on the percentages of the prison population who are illegal immigrants. It is very easy for a REASONABLE PERSON to make the comparison.

This is not the SATs, I have no interest in doing calculations to prove your theories.

This thread was about a lying Lifezette article using a fake Trump admin study to make a bullshit point that was refuted easily - instead of acknowledging that, you provide cover for that BS by linking to a different study and pretend that is somehow relevant when you are not even able to provide calculations for your claim.

Also you are not even asking the right questions, you are asking what % of US population ARE illegal immigrants when in fact the study you posted is from 2010 - you should be asking what % WERE illegal immigrants back then.

 

[gwb-trading]

This is not the SATs, I have no interest in doing calculations to prove your theories.

This thread was about a lying Lifezette article using a fake Trump admin study to make a bullshit point that was refuted easily - instead of acknowledging that, you provide cover for that BS by linking to a different study and pretend that is somehow relevant when you are not even able to provide calculations for your claim.

Also you are not even asking the right questions, you are asking what % of US population ARE illegal immigrants when in fact the study you posted is from 2010 - you should be asking what % WERE illegal immigrants back then.

This is about if you can think RATIONALLY and ACCEPT INDISPUTABLE FACTS.

I provided the 2011 full year report from the Obama administration. The quarterly reports are not a Trump administration study -- they have been going on for many years each quarter from before Trump was in office.

It is absurd to dispute the facts about the numbers of illegal immigrants in prison; it is clearly defined in the federal reports. The percentage numbers are varied little over the past couple of decades.

You can argue over why the percentage of illegal immigrants in federal and state prison over-represent their percentage of the population. In the same way you can argue over why blacks over-represent their percentage of the population in prison. Is it poverty, lack of parental responsibility, lack of opportunity, or one of many of factors. However before we can have an honest conversation over why, we need you to accept the indisputable numbers --- in order to demonstrate that you can be rational.

 

[exGOPer]

This is about if you can think RATIONALLY and ACCEPT INDISPUTABLE FACTS.

I provided the 2011 full year report from the Obama administration.
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AGAIN, who was disputing that REPORT????????? Also where are the facts? You state something, never show the calculations but keep repeating you have facts. Those who have facts CITE them, not just keep saying they have them. You are like Trump who keeps saying that his PI's from Hawaii have great facts on Obama's birth certificate but never lay down the actual details. Show me your calculations for these 'facts'. I have no interest in your xenophobic editorial.

I was pointing out the FAKE NEWS from LIFEZETTE and the FAKE TRUMP administration 'study' that misrepresented FACTS

You are trying to debate some other topic to legitimize fake news by the Trump admin.

It's nothing but gaslighting and deflection.

 

[gwb-trading]

AGAIN, who was disputing that REPORT????????? Also where are the facts? You state something, never show the calculations but keep repeating you have facts. Those who have facts CITE them, not just keep saying they have them. You are like Trump who keeps saying that his PI's from Hawaii have great facts on Obama's birth certificate but never lay down the actual details. Show me your calculations for these 'facts'. I have no interest in your xenophobic editorial.

I was pointing out the FAKE NEWS from LIFEZETTE and the FAKE TRUMP administration 'study' that misrepresented FACTS

You are trying to debate some other topic to legitimize fake news by the Trump admin.

It's nothing but gaslighting and deflection.

Go read the reports. Are you disputing the numbers in the federal reports? They are spelled out very clearly.

Do you dispute the figures in the 2011 report from the Obama administration?

All the federal reports spell the numbers out in detail. Go read them.

 

[exGOPer]

Go read the reports. Are you disputing the numbers in the federal reports? They are spelled out very clearly.

Do you dispute the figures in the 2011 report from the Obama administration?

All the federal reports spell the numbers out in detail. Go read them.

LOL, more made up questions. All you do is this 'did you stop beating your wife' fallacy in every thread.

This thread was not about the Obama admin report, this was about the fake news from Trump admin and his cronies. Kapish?

 

[gwb-trading]

LOL, more made up questions. All you do is this 'did you stop beating your wife' fallacy in every thread.

This thread was not about the Obama admin report, this was about the fake news from Trump admin and his cronies. Kapish?

Merry Christmas, exGOPer.

Hopefully Santa brings you the gift this year of thinking rationally and accepting indisputable facts.

From here you can move on to discuss the why -- but until you accept the facts it is not even worth having the discussion with you.

Hopefully your critical thinking improves in the New Year.

 

[exGOPer]

Merry Christmas, exGOPer.

Hopefully Santa brings you the gift this year of thinking rationally and accepting indisputable facts.

From here you can move on to discuss the why -- but until you accept the facts it is not even worth having the discussion with you.

Hopefully your critical thinking improves in the New Year.

You forgot the /s tag, if it wasn't for me injecting facts and rationality into this right wing cesspool, there won't be critical thinking in this section of the forum.

 

[newwurldmn]

Here is information from CATO on the subject...

New Report on Illegal Immigrant Criminality Reveals Little & Admits Its Own Shortcomings
By Alex Nowrasteh
https://www.cato.org/blog/new-repor...ty-reveals-little-admits-its-own-shortcomings

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Department of Justice (DOJ) today released a report that found that about 94 percent of foreign-born inmates in Federal prisons are illegal immigrants. That is not surprising, as illegal immigrants convicted of an immigration offense are incarcerated in federal prison and account 7.3 percent of all inmates. Likewise, drug traffickers who cross international borders are also in federal prison and account 46.3 percent of all prisoners. Thus, illegal immigrants are overrepresented in federal prison because the federal government enforces immigration laws and many drug trafficking laws but only a small fraction of all those incarcerated for all crimes committed in the U.S. are in federal prisons.

The authors of this DHS/DOJ report do deserve credit for highlighting its shortcomings. On the first page, it states:

This report does not include data on the foreign-born or alien populations in state prisons and local jails because state and local facilities do not routinely provide DHS or DOJ with comprehensive information about their inmates and detainees. This limitation is noteworthy because state and local facilities account for approximately 90 percent of the total U.S. incarcerated population.

The federal prison population is not representative of incarcerated populations on the state and local level, so excluding them from the report means that it sheds little light on nationwide incarcerations by nativity, legal status, or type of crime. On the last point, it is shocking how unrepresentative federal prison is regarding the types of crimes its inmates are convicted of. In 2016, 67,742 people were sentenced to federal prison. Almost 30 percent of them were for immigration offenses. Those immigration convictions comprised 100 percent of the convictions for immigration crimes in the United States in 2016. By contrast, there were only 85 federal convictions for murder out of a nationwide total of 17,785 murder convictions that year, comprising less than 0.5 percent of all murders.

If Garcia Zarate had actually been convicted of murdering Kate Steinle, then he would have been incarcerated in California state prison and he would not show up as an illegal immigrant murderer in this DHS/DOJ report. What good is a federal report on illegal immigrant incarceration rates if it would have excluded Kate Steinle’s killer had he been convicted?

(More at above url)

From the article you provided, the authors conclusion is that the DHS report does not support the conclusion that illegal immigrants cause more crimes. He explicitly states that the DHS report does not support Trump's immigration claims. He merely claims that lacking state incarceration data makes it harder to understand immigrant crime rates.