Feature request: moderated thread/board section

Ghost_of_Blotto

Ghost_of_Blotto

public readable, public postable, free of tedious posts - pick 2

There are a _few_ very successful and generous traders who continue to contribute their hard won expertise on these boards. Taking things private wouldn't serve the purpose of helping those who are not already successful. Making threads read only except to pre-approved posters would stop new people asking genuine questions.

So we are left with trolls/derailment. The ignore list is a blunt instrument, needs continuously updated, isn't centralised/shared between members so the tedium of adding new members to the list is duplicated.

I'd suggest a moderated section. A user (or group of users is designated a moderator).
All posts within the section are queued in moderation prior to being displayed on the site.

The moderator can whitelist the known quality posters so their posts display immediately without moderator intervention and blacklist known timewasters so that their posts are not included in the moderation queue.

All other posts would be assessed on a case by case basis.
I'd be willing to volunteer some time to moderate this section on a trial basis. I would expect this to grow into a small group of 3-5 moderators who serve to save a little time and make participation less tedious for those higher on the food chain. Simply to pay respect to and acknowledge the value of certain posters who have contributed a great deal to this site but are having to wade through ignore lists, repetitive (and obvious) questions, and deliberate trolling.

Baron - you mentioned recently that unlike facebook your site is not a repository for worthless posts about feelings. Yet people who have worked at hedge funds, owned broker dealers, people who own a good percentage of the seats at a major exchange, and so on are routinely retorted to with comments such as to quote a recent example "the site doesn't give me the option so I'll do it manually - I dislike this post". They're not going to keep contributing and you'll be left with facebook.

It would only be a small corner of the site but there will be at least a few dozen of us who would appreciate the feature...and perhaps may even be willing to contribute towards development?
 
Yes I agree that would be great. Keep the shills and trolls out of at least a small percentage of the threads on this board.
 
Ghost_of_Blotto,

This is exactly what is needed. The extra learning time that is generated having to sift through the crap is unbelievable.

It would actually be good to have a group of moderated users whereby those who are perhaps known in the industry and not just talking hot air can post.
 
Ghost_of_Blotto said:
public readable, public postable, free of tedious posts - pick 2

There are a _few_ very successful and generous traders who continue to contribute their hard won expertise on these boards. Taking things private wouldn't serve the purpose of helping those who are not already successful. Making threads read only except to pre-approved posters would stop new people asking genuine questions.

So we are left with trolls/derailment. The ignore list is a blunt instrument, needs continuously updated, isn't centralised/shared between members so the tedium of adding new members to the list is duplicated.

I'd suggest a moderated section. A user (or group of users is designated a moderator).
All posts within the section are queued in moderation prior to being displayed on the site.

The moderator can whitelist the known quality posters so their posts display immediately without moderator intervention and blacklist known timewasters so that their posts are not included in the moderation queue.

All other posts would be assessed on a case by case basis.
I'd be willing to volunteer some time to moderate this section on a trial basis. I would expect this to grow into a small group of 3-5 moderators who serve to save a little time and make participation less tedious for those higher on the food chain. Simply to pay respect to and acknowledge the value of certain posters who have contributed a great deal to this site but are having to wade through ignore lists, repetitive (and obvious) questions, and deliberate trolling.

Baron - you mentioned recently that unlike facebook your site is not a repository for worthless posts about feelings. Yet people who have worked at hedge funds, owned broker dealers, people who own a good percentage of the seats at a major exchange, and so on are routinely retorted to with comments such as to quote a recent example "the site doesn't give me the option so I'll do it manually - I dislike this post". They're not going to keep contributing and you'll be left with facebook.

It would only be a small corner of the site but there will be at least a few dozen of us who would appreciate the feature...and perhaps may even be willing to contribute towards development?
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Oh Yes!! Censorship Yes Yes Yes--What arrogance
 
Open a read/write thread for

GOB,MAV74,GARACHEN,RALLYMODE,DUSTIN,GHOST OF CUTTEN,NEWWOLRDUM,ACHILLES28,
MOONMOID,GLOBALARBTRADER,SELLINDEXVOL,GARYSMITH

Each can invite their respected peers.

Make thread read only for the rest.

That simple for starters. See where it goes.

I am not a trader but i thinki can tell the difference.

My top 10 exclusions to the list would be shocking as they are practcally ET Gods.
 
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You folks clearly do not understand the internet and how social media like elite trader works-- doing what the OP suggests would destroy this site--- the resultingfragmentation would be like a hydrogen bomb. the site works for the exact reasons you do not like.

The ignore feature allows you to personalize the site for your own liking without setting off the fragmentation bomb. Why not use it??

surf
 
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marketsurfer said:
You folks clearly do not understand the internet and how social media like elite trader works-- doing what the OP suggests would destroy this site--- the resultingfragmentation would be like a hydrogen bomb. the site works for the exact reasons you do not like.

The ignore feature allows you to personalize the site for your own liking without setting off the fragmentation bomb. Why not use it??

surf
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I believe that we do understand the Internet and how social media like elite trader works. In fact one of the best posts I have ever read is by Blotto on this subject where he pretty much outlines exactly to the word what goes on in these forums. Here follows one of the best posts on ET in my opinion:

Blotto October 9th 2013.

Perhaps others can learn a lesson here. I found the nature of the response interesting, if predictable. Note the evasion and politeness.

Politeness, because we do not wish to acknowledge 'unpleasant' truths. Not all opinions are equal. Not all traders are equal. By being overly polite, we seek to use social cues to telegraph the range of "acceptable" debate. Because if the thread starter examined himself, the objective is neither learning nor profitable trading, but following a preconceived path according to a road map which has already been decided based on principles which have already been accepted as true.

Evasion, because the issues are not addressed - that the advice being relied upon is likely worthless for the purposes of profitable use of the futures markets, is of questionable provenance, and is being accepted unquestioningly. Begging the question: keeping this journal helps me because it is helpful. No explanation of the connection, if any, between publishing a trading diary and the decision to program trading software to modify the price of a stop order is offered.

This continues with the subversion of my initial advice "you need to develop your own theories and should not uncritically accept popular opinion" into "I agree with you that I need to do what suits me best".

It isn't known to the extent this process is volitional or subconscious, but already we can detect a subtle re-interpretation of information to fit the preconceptions of the thread starter. With this bias in evidence, only the quality of the initial preconceptions will dictate the outcome, regardless of any data which may be presented. If the initial preconceptions are wrong, and a fully open minded approach is not adopted, then the subject will be incapable of objectively interpreting any data from the environment that tends to show that the approach used is unproductive. Instead, data will be selectively interpret to conform to existing bias. The mental gymnastics to thwart cognitive dissonance will be both astonishing and educational to the astute observer.

The title of this thread is "a beginner's mind". We can stand to learn a lot from how this particular beginner has ordered his mind when approaching the task. This is infinitely more interesting than the predicable outcome of the subjects trading.

Our first lesson is the use of labels. We see the subject adopt the nomenclature of technical analysis, which is unhelpful as it is not sufficiently precise or descriptive, and does not show any qualities of market structure - therefore of no assistance in the goal of short term prediction of prices. The subject makes no claims for this analysis, and does not relate it to the stated goal of successful trading. He hasn't argued for why it should assist this goal, or how he will use it to do so. This is assumed, and no debate on the merits will be admitted. Interestingly, we do not make too much of an effort to seriously pretend that we are seeking success. Apply some technical terms and you can decide to believe that you have understanding - after all, you are using the correct labels! The alternative is facing the intimidation of the blank page and the necessity of discovering your own meaning from scratch. The responsibility to determine what data will be used, how it will be represented, and how to create an effective trading plan. Instead the subject chooses to uncritically adopt an unproven and vague set of technical terms as a substitute for understanding.

The second lesson is the substitution of the social for the factual. We will attempt to alter reality by controlling in which way we discuss it. The audience, who have vested interests (perhaps to be discussed later), will aid and abet the subject in enforcing the predetermined "window" of acceptable viewpoints. Detractors will be marginalised, suffer further ad hominem attacks, the ignore list will be suggested, and dramatic pleas from the thread starter to respect (his view) of the (one true) purpose of this thread. (predictably, requests to cease contributions which advance views not endorsed by the subject) Nowhere in this process will consideration or priority be given to facts, the merits of various approaches, or results - namely whether the theories advanced can or do lead to successful trading. We will continue to collectively perpetuate the canard that some progress is being made, some learning done, and that unfocused guessing is part of some process towards effective trading. This will be accepted without question as the guessing is legitimised by the nomenclature and arguments from authority.

The third lesson is to profile each of the participants in this "game" and discern their motives. Successful trading is not the true objective for many here, although it serves as a useful pretext. Lets list our dramatist personae:

the aspirant - "I want to learn to trade" (but am actually using trading and trading forum to indulge some idiosyncratic personal fetish)
the detractor - "successful trading is not possible / the game is rigged"
the enabler - encourages the aspirant to trade and will give positive feedback - lives vicariously through the aspirant, helps give false hope, attacks practitioners and detractors. Trades rarely or has quit completely but still lingers in forums.
the salesman - "I know how to trade, you need to write a trading plan, read Al Brooks and Trading in the Zone, learn TA, work on your psychology" (note this character is selling something, but usually gets paid in something other than money - can you work out their payoff?)
the troll - stirs up controversy, baits other players
the practitioner - will occasionally offer sensible contributions grounded in years of experience as a market professional - in topsy turvy world this individual is treated as a court jester or fool by the other characters
the hopeful one - a fragile sideshow character who will launch random attacks against detractors and practitioners who threaten his hope - these outbursts can get rather out of control
the mystic - Jack Hershey, the chap quoted above who tortured eastern philosophy into market advice: "water has no ego", the astrologist.

So let us continue with Act I, Scene 3 of our production "The Beginner's Mind", which is suspiciously similar to many other similar shows which have played out on this and other forums. With the same cast each time. The rhetorical question: are beginners fungible? The liquidity they provide sure is.
 
redbaron1981 said:
I believe that we do understand the Internet and how social media like elite trader works. In fact one of the best posts I have ever read is by Blotto on this subject where he pretty much outlines exactly to the word what goes on in these forums. Here follows one of the best posts on ET in my opinion:

Blotto October 9th 2013.

Perhaps others can learn a lesson here. I found the nature of the response interesting, if predictable. Note the evasion and politeness.

Politeness, because we do not wish to acknowledge 'unpleasant' truths. Not all opinions are equal. Not all traders are equal. By being overly polite, we seek to use social cues to telegraph the range of "acceptable" debate. Because if the thread starter examined himself, the objective is neither learning nor profitable trading, but following a preconceived path according to a road map which has already been decided based on principles which have already been accepted as true.

Evasion, because the issues are not addressed - that the advice being relied upon is likely worthless for the purposes of profitable use of the futures markets, is of questionable provenance, and is being accepted unquestioningly. Begging the question: keeping this journal helps me because it is helpful. No explanation of the connection, if any, between publishing a trading diary and the decision to program trading software to modify the price of a stop order is offered.

This continues with the subversion of my initial advice "you need to develop your own theories and should not uncritically accept popular opinion" into "I agree with you that I need to do what suits me best".

It isn't known to the extent this process is volitional or subconscious, but already we can detect a subtle re-interpretation of information to fit the preconceptions of the thread starter. With this bias in evidence, only the quality of the initial preconceptions will dictate the outcome, regardless of any data which may be presented. If the initial preconceptions are wrong, and a fully open minded approach is not adopted, then the subject will be incapable of objectively interpreting any data from the environment that tends to show that the approach used is unproductive. Instead, data will be selectively interpret to conform to existing bias. The mental gymnastics to thwart cognitive dissonance will be both astonishing and educational to the astute observer.

The title of this thread is "a beginner's mind". We can stand to learn a lot from how this particular beginner has ordered his mind when approaching the task. This is infinitely more interesting than the predicable outcome of the subjects trading.

Our first lesson is the use of labels. We see the subject adopt the nomenclature of technical analysis, which is unhelpful as it is not sufficiently precise or descriptive, and does not show any qualities of market structure - therefore of no assistance in the goal of short term prediction of prices. The subject makes no claims for this analysis, and does not relate it to the stated goal of successful trading. He hasn't argued for why it should assist this goal, or how he will use it to do so. This is assumed, and no debate on the merits will be admitted. Interestingly, we do not make too much of an effort to seriously pretend that we are seeking success. Apply some technical terms and you can decide to believe that you have understanding - after all, you are using the correct labels! The alternative is facing the intimidation of the blank page and the necessity of discovering your own meaning from scratch. The responsibility to determine what data will be used, how it will be represented, and how to create an effective trading plan. Instead the subject chooses to uncritically adopt an unproven and vague set of technical terms as a substitute for understanding.

The second lesson is the substitution of the social for the factual. We will attempt to alter reality by controlling in which way we discuss it. The audience, who have vested interests (perhaps to be discussed later), will aid and abet the subject in enforcing the predetermined "window" of acceptable viewpoints. Detractors will be marginalised, suffer further ad hominem attacks, the ignore list will be suggested, and dramatic pleas from the thread starter to respect (his view) of the (one true) purpose of this thread. (predictably, requests to cease contributions which advance views not endorsed by the subject) Nowhere in this process will consideration or priority be given to facts, the merits of various approaches, or results - namely whether the theories advanced can or do lead to successful trading. We will continue to collectively perpetuate the canard that some progress is being made, some learning done, and that unfocused guessing is part of some process towards effective trading. This will be accepted without question as the guessing is legitimised by the nomenclature and arguments from authority.

The third lesson is to profile each of the participants in this "game" and discern their motives. Successful trading is not the true objective for many here, although it serves as a useful pretext. Lets list our dramatist personae:

the aspirant - "I want to learn to trade" (but am actually using trading and trading forum to indulge some idiosyncratic personal fetish)
the detractor - "successful trading is not possible / the game is rigged"
the enabler - encourages the aspirant to trade and will give positive feedback - lives vicariously through the aspirant, helps give false hope, attacks practitioners and detractors. Trades rarely or has quit completely but still lingers in forums.
the salesman - "I know how to trade, you need to write a trading plan, read Al Brooks and Trading in the Zone, learn TA, work on your psychology" (note this character is selling something, but usually gets paid in something other than money - can you work out their payoff?)
the troll - stirs up controversy, baits other players
the practitioner - will occasionally offer sensible contributions grounded in years of experience as a market professional - in topsy turvy world this individual is treated as a court jester or fool by the other characters
the hopeful one - a fragile sideshow character who will launch random attacks against detractors and practitioners who threaten his hope - these outbursts can get rather out of control
the mystic - Jack Hershey, the chap quoted above who tortured eastern philosophy into market advice: "water has no ego", the astrologist.

So let us continue with Act I, Scene 3 of our production "The Beginner's Mind", which is suspiciously similar to many other similar shows which have played out on this and other forums. With the same cast each time. The rhetorical question: are beginners fungible? The liquidity they provide sure is.
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While what blotto says is accurate, other than beginners provide substantial liquidity. this statement is ridiculous as liquidity comes from large professional traders who have om the losing side--- not noobs with ameritrade accounts-- makes me wonder if the guy understands the market or is just some kind of psychologist---

Despite being accurate for the most part, it has nothing to do with the way the internet works and how money is made on the internet. The bottom line is controversy, bizarre characters, and arguments attract eyeballs-- which in turn attract advertisers. Elite trader is the gossip site of trading-- that's why it works-- the niche is perfect. surf
 
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