Fear and delusion

Quote from Bolimomo:

I tend to agress with qwerty. Your posts seemed to have some conflicting points.

What you said:



Then you also said:


Why do you think you can clear some obstacles for newer traders? Paid or voluntary.

Maybe I could, or maybe I couldn't. It's all just my opinions and I am not charging anything for it. It's worth ZERO DOLLAR as I mentioned. Through my 8 years of trading on and off, I have seen how the market work and know why paid mentors are called SNAKE OIL SALESMEN. If new traders still think they need a paid mentor to learn how to trade profitably, then they should go right ahead.

Do you still think I have conflicting points?


PA
 
Quote from Mr.Consistent:

You're not profitable because you're thinking like the 80% or 90% of losing traders. This should ring alarms bells. :)

Hmmmm interesting comment. I don't know where that came from or if you are trying to convince me to think that a paid mentor is the key to success. I don't really know who you are and I doubt you know who I really am. So your comment really confused me.

PA
 
Anyway, I am done with the thread. I have made my points and I am done making them against the snake oil salesmen and thier shills.

Either I am right or wrong, it doesn't matter.

PA
 
Quote from Pension_Admin:


"I am a newbie, but I don't believe we require a mentor in order to achieve success in trading".

"Qwerty, I already feel that I am in debt to you for your insight from your postings on price action and how you explain it with charts and metaphor--battle between bulls and bears. Your mentorship is much appreciated, but I really would not know how I will be able to repay you for it".

"because I don't need a mentor. I never have and never will."

"Mark Douglas has a good book and I read it a couple of times".

"In the end, I do agree about trading can be done on our own. I am a firm believer in that".


PA

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Ah, ha a discrepancy yet again, you're tripping all over yourself with your own lies Pension_Admin. You speak highly of mentors and even speak of being indebted to one, then hypocritically denounce them with fire and brimstone within the same breath, which is it? You also demean salesmen yet at the same time laud them, I notice that you speak highly of Mark Douglas, what do you think he's doing with his knowledge that he put on paper? do you think he wrote that book for free?
 
Quote from Pension_Admin:

Hmmmm interesting comment. I don't know where that came from or if you are trying to convince me to think that a paid mentor is the key to success. I don't really know who you are and I doubt you know who I really am. So your comment really confused me.

PA

You've have admitted yourself that you're not profitable, though I could sense that from your previous posts without you admitting it. And by the way I didn't recommend a paid mentor. You're the one who believes that "Those who figured out how to trade guard their knowledge like a magician guarding the secret of his magic trick. They will never reveal it" ..............

Let me tell you the "secret" to trading. THERE IS NO SECRET, it is only an illusion in your mind. Instead of "reading" Mark Douglas book, start actually APPLYING his principles and you'll be on your way to profitable trading. Your posts reflect that you're not applying what Mark Douglas teaches. :)
 
Quote from piezoe:

It is my opinion that trading is gambling and has the same appeal as any other form of gambling, but is even more insidious because of the appearance of legitimacy promoted by the media and Wall Street hucksters in fancy suits. It can be even more addicting than other forms of gambling. And the money to be made by those promoting stock market gambling,i.e., your broker and mine, is even greater than the money to be made by the House in Las Vegas.

The main difference I see between short term trading and casino gambling is that through hard work, study and attentiveness it is possible, assuming you have reliable and timely data, to tilt the odds in your favor. I would suggest that anyone trading keep statistical records that go far beyond mere profit and loss. You must have enough information recorded to provide insight, not a mere record of your trades which your broker provides anyway. There should be a definite quantitative element to your trading. If you find yourself trading entirely by the seat of your pants (by intuition alone, in other words) you are in trouble. On that latter subject, I am a true expert!

If you find that you do not have a statistical edge, or at the minimum, that your trading is not improving and moving toward a quantifiable edge, then stop. If you can't stop you are a gambling addict and trading will eventually ruin you.

In my own experience, most of the commercial companies selling trading methods and advice, or investment or stock tips, are worse than worthless. I'm sure, many front run and lie to their clients just as Wall Street Hucksters do --Here i'm recalling that infamous headline in Barrons pointing out what a great buy GM was, when in fact GM was already insolvent and a breath away from bankruptcy with dire prospects for the future. Sure enough, however, the stock bounced enough to cause many of the Put holders to bail prematurely and long enough, i'm sure, for the Barrons' palls to extricate themselves.

trading suckers in usually smart people. casinos the dumb people. why??

smart people know you can't consistently win in casino's. They understand (simple) statistics. They know gambling is negative sum. However the stock market might have edges that allows for positive expectancy. The smart think, I am so smart, I can find an edge. Hardly do they know what they got themselves into. Alot, and i mean alot of hard work.:mad:
 
Really? You think trading is the biggest gambling or scam ever?

Personally I think it's the banking system but then again I've done far more research into that.
 
Quote from Mr.Consistent:

You've have admitted yourself that you're not profitable, though I could sense that from your previous posts without you admitting it. And by the way I didn't recommend a paid mentor. You're the one who believes that "Those who figured out how to trade guard their knowledge like a magician guarding the secret of his magic trick. They will never reveal it" ..............

Let me tell you the "secret" to trading. THERE IS NO SECRET, it is only an illusion in your mind. Instead of "reading" Mark Douglas book, start actually APPLYING his principles and you'll be on your way to profitable trading. Your posts reflect that you're not applying what Mark Douglas teaches. :)

Yeah, isn't it obvious when I start off most sentence saying "as a newbie trader" in other postings?

Mark got a good book, and I learn to be like a casino and take on all customers. I also learn that the market could be quite random. However, I can never apply those principles. Oh well, it will be my loss. Let those who are good at trading apply those principles and may them become rich quickly and consistently.

There is a secret, but that's just newbie talking.

PA
 
Quote from failed_trad3r:

trading suckers in usually smart people. casinos the dumb people. why??

smart people know you can't consistently win in casino's. They understand (simple) statistics. They know gambling is negative sum. However the stock market might have edges that allows for positive expectancy. The smart think, I am so smart, I can find an edge. Hardly do they know what they got themselves into. Alot, and i mean alot of hard work.:mad:

An astute observation in my opinion, and I heartily agree!
 
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