FBI Plot uncovered - is this Prima Facie Treason?

[UsualName]

Which court would Trump be filing his motion in?

What are his lawyer going to do? Go into a court, guess the jurisdiction and get an order for Mueller to return all the docs after they have been read? You can't unring that bell.

There is no court to file a motion to exclude evidence if Mueller has not started the criminal process with an indictment or a complaint.

this is just more leftist stupidity.

Not indeed. Filing a motion in the DC Federal District Court would be the prudent thing to do to protect your client in the event this stuff would be used in a criminal proceeding. But they would lose and they don’t want the embarrassment or the ruling should this see the inside of a court room.

These guys are writing letters to congress because it’s a friendly place to wage a political fight. This is classic “pound the table” when you can’t pound the facts.

 

[Tony Stark]

Which court would Trump be filing his motion in?

What are his lawyer going to do? Go into a court, guess the jurisdiction and get an order for Mueller to return all the docs after they have been read? You can't unring that bell.

There is no court to file a motion to exclude evidence if Mueller has not started the criminal process with an indictment or a complaint.

this is just more leftist stupidity.

I'm not a former Federal Prosecutor/ Attorney General candidate like the guy who posted it but my guess would be a court in the jurisdiction where the violation occurred.

If a former Federal Prosecutor/ Attorney General candidate and Mueller and his team of federal prosecutors and federal law enforcement agents say the emails are legal I'll take their word over the opinion of a guy who thought the birther cases were legit and that they would get Obama off of presidential state ballots in 2012

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Not indeed. Filing a motion in the DC Federal District Court would be the prudent thing to do to protect your client in the event this stuff would be used in a criminal proceeding. But they would lose and they don’t want the embarrassment or the ruling should this see the inside of a court room.

These guys are writing letters to congress because it’s a friendly place to wage a political fight. This is classic “pound the table” when you can’t pound the facts.

It's all for the good because it will increase the will to appoint investigators for the justice department and Hillary too. Mueller has given people a taste of what it is like to seize records. But, realistically, Congress/current justice department has just given Comey and Mueller and a taste of that and then releasing it to the public. Howd that work out for Mueller and company?

I am all in favor of getting an information release war going. When can I expect the dossier related records? Oh, I see. Justice Department swamp leftovers are not planning on releasing them. Believe me, a couple more stunts by Mueller and they will be forthcoming. Then we will see more fun. Just like we saw Mueller and Comey underlings dirt exposed this last week. Go for it. Bring it on. The bloodier the better.

 

[UsualName]

It's all for the good because it will increase the will to appoint investigators for the justice department and Hillary too. Mueller has given people a taste of what it is like to seize records. But, realistically, Congress/current justice department has just given Comey and Mueller and a taste of that and then releasing it to the public. Howd that work out for Mueller and company?

I am all in favor of getting an information release war going. When can I expect the dossier related records? Oh, I see. Justice Department/Mueller are not planning on releasing them. Believe me, a couple more stunts by Mueller and they will be forthcoming. Then we will see more fun. Just like we saw Mueller and Comey underlings dirt exposed this last week. Go for it. Bring it on. The bloodier the better.

It’s not all for the good, it’s all to muddy the waters in the event the president is implicated as an “uncharged conspirator”.

There is no legal strategy, it’s totally political to prevent impeachment. And this is not me saying Trump deserves to be impeached or will be impeached, it’s me saying the legal strategy is to prevent impeachment.

All of these calls for special counsels and investigations into Clinton, Mueller, DOJ, etc is meant to defend the president politically. There is no pursuit of justice behind these calls.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

It’s not all for the good, it’s all to muddy the waters in the event the president is implicated as an “uncharged conspirator”.

There is no legal strategy, it’s totally political to prevent impeachment. And this is not me saying Trump deserves to be impeached or will be impeached, it’s me saying the legal strategy is to prevent impeachment.

All of these calls for special counsels and investigations into Clinton, Mueller, DOJ, etc is meant to defend the president politically. There is no pursuit of justice behind these calls.

You can spin it any way you want.

But when there is clear evidence that the FBI/Justice Department took deliberate steps to 1) put the fix in for one candidate, and 2) conspire to keep the other candidate from ever being elected then I am 100% in favor of pursuing that relentlessly and ruthlessly. If Trump ultimately gets a couple limbs blown off and his wife and kids end out going to prison- based on real rather than phoney charges- then I still want to go there if that is price that has to be paid for looking at everything on all sides. And I would show the Justice Department and Camp Clinton no mercy either, and I would have the emails by the end of the months or Clapper would be in prison too.

You have made it clear that you are 100% in favor of just pursuing Trump. That is your definition of "pursuit of justice." We expect no less.

 

[jem]

the birther case in Georgia was legit.
Obama failed to produce any evidence to support his eligibility after his motion do dismiss was denied.
A judgement against him would have been issued.
But Orly taitz put on her case for some unexplained reasons instead of taking a default judgement. drudge described it as Empty Table 1... Orly Taitz nothing.


only morons argue with the above facts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_eligibility_litigation


Georgia[edit]
Several Georgian citizens (Carl Swensson and another Georgian represented by Georgia state representative Mark Hatfield, a Georgian represented by Taitz, and a Georgian represented by Van Irion) filed challenges with the Georgia Secretary of State, Brian Kemp, regarding Obama's inclusion on the March primary ballot.[130] Kemp referred the challenges to Deputy Chief Judge Michael Malihi, an administrative law judge, who denied Obama's motion to dismiss them and scheduled a hearing for January 26.[131]

On January 23, Malihi denied Obama's motion to quash a subpoena issued by Taitz to compel Obama to appear, saying that Obama did not show why he should not be at the hearing or how his testimony would not be helpful.[132] On January 25, Obama's attorney requested that Kemp halt the proceedings, and indicated that Obama would no longer participate in the litigation pending Kemp's decision.[133] Kemp denied their request and warned that their non-participation would be "at your own peril".[134]

Neither Obama nor his attorney appeared at the January 26 hearing. This normally would result in a default order, but the challengers requested Malihi to allow them to go ahead with the hearing and rule on "the merits of their arguments and evidence".[135][136] Taitz called eight witnesses (including herself), and presented seven exhibits in support of her claims that Obama was not a natural-born citizen, has used multiple names, has multiple Social Security numbers, and used a fake birth certificate. Taitz asked Malihi to find Obama in contempt for failing to appear.[137][138][139]

On February 3, Malihi recommended that Obama remain on the ballot. Concerning Taitz's case Malihi wrote: "The Court finds the testimony of the witnesses, as well as the exhibits tendered, to be of little, if any, probative value, and thus wholly insufficient to support plaintiffs’ allegations".[136][140] The Drudge Retort described the hearing as, "Empty Table 1, Orly Taitz 0".[141]

On February 6, Kemp accepted Malihi's recommendation.[142] On February 13, the challengers filed for review.[143][144]

I'm not a former Federal Prosecutor/ Attorney General candidate like the guy who posted it but my guess would be a court in the jurisdiction where the violation occurred.

If a former Federal Prosecutor/ Attorney General candidate and Mueller and his team of federal prosecutors and federal law enforcement agents say the emails are legal I'll take their word over the opinion of a guy who thought the birther cases were legit and that they would get Obama off of presidential state ballots in 2012

 

[Tony Stark]

the birther case in Georgia was legit.
Obama failed to produce any evidence to support his eligibility after his motion do dismiss was denied.
A judgement against him would have been issued.
But Orly taitz put on her case for some unexplained reasons instead of taking a default judgement. drudge described it as Empty Table 1... Orly Taitz nothing.


only morons argue with the above facts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_eligibility_litigation


Georgia[edit]
Several Georgian citizens (Carl Swensson and another Georgian represented by Georgia state representative Mark Hatfield, a Georgian represented by Taitz, and a Georgian represented by Van Irion) filed challenges with the Georgia Secretary of State, Brian Kemp, regarding Obama's inclusion on the March primary ballot.[130] Kemp referred the challenges to Deputy Chief Judge Michael Malihi, an administrative law judge, who denied Obama's motion to dismiss them and scheduled a hearing for January 26.[131]

On January 23, Malihi denied Obama's motion to quash a subpoena issued by Taitz to compel Obama to appear, saying that Obama did not show why he should not be at the hearing or how his testimony would not be helpful.[132] On January 25, Obama's attorney requested that Kemp halt the proceedings, and indicated that Obama would no longer participate in the litigation pending Kemp's decision.[133] Kemp denied their request and warned that their non-participation would be "at your own peril".[134]

Neither Obama nor his attorney appeared at the January 26 hearing. This normally would result in a default order, but the challengers requested Malihi to allow them to go ahead with the hearing and rule on "the merits of their arguments and evidence".[135][136] Taitz called eight witnesses (including herself), and presented seven exhibits in support of her claims that Obama was not a natural-born citizen, has used multiple names, has multiple Social Security numbers, and used a fake birth certificate. Taitz asked Malihi to find Obama in contempt for failing to appear.[137][138][139]

On February 3, Malihi recommended that Obama remain on the ballot. Concerning Taitz's case Malihi wrote: "The Court finds the testimony of the witnesses, as well as the exhibits tendered, to be of little, if any, probative value, and thus wholly insufficient to support plaintiffs’ allegations".[136][140] The Drudge Retort described the hearing as, "Empty Table 1, Orly Taitz 0".[141]

On February 6, Kemp accepted Malihi's recommendation.[142] On February 13, the challengers filed for review.[143][144]

No birther case affected Obamas presidency or ability to be president.You said the birther crap would keep Obama off of several state ballots in 2012.He was on every state ballot in 2012.

 

[Tony Stark]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_eligibility_litigation

From your link



Challenges

By early 2012, dozens of lawsuits had been filed challenging Obama's eligibility in states including North Carolina,[2] Ohio,[3] Pennsylvania,[4] Hawaii,[5] Connecticut,[6] New Jersey, Texas and Washington.[5][7] No suit or challenge resulted in the grant of any relief to the plaintiffs by any court or other body.

 

[jem]

While I agree most motions to exclude evidence fail.
The definitely do not always fail.

Cops generally follow a routine. Their reports are read over and "sanitized" to make it look like no consititution rights or laws were broken. A normal defendant has a very hard time overcoming this. Plus Judges tend to err on the side of govt when it comes to procedural issues because they know the govt has the resources to fight.

However, in this situation. The fruit of the poisonous tree arguments are likely to be litigated for years... all the way up to the Supreme Court. Mueller should have played this buy the book.
He has not... this is going to cost him... if putting Trump in jail was really the goal.

But...as far as bringing a motion to exclude evidence in court before the Prosecution presents his case.

now this is to Tony
1. even it it were possible to file prior to an complaint or indictment... it could be be mal practice to file motions to exclude without seeing what is being prosecuted. you would not want to burn motions to exclude without knowing which ones are your most important ones. In criminal law the timing of motions can be critical.

Not indeed. Filing a motion in the DC Federal District Court would be the prudent thing to do to protect your client in the event this stuff would be used in a criminal proceeding. But they would lose and they don’t want the embarrassment or the ruling should this see the inside of a court room.

These guys are writing letters to congress because it’s a friendly place to wage a political fight. This is classic “pound the table” when you can’t pound the facts.

 

[jem]

so what?
many were dismissed on procedural grounds.

When it was time to provide proof... Obama choose to not show up in Georgia.

Challenges

By early 2012, dozens of lawsuits had been filed challenging Obama's eligibility in states including North Carolina,[2] Ohio,[3] Pennsylvania,[4] Hawaii,[5] Connecticut,[6] New Jersey, Texas and Washington.[5][7] No suit or challenge resulted in the grant of any relief to the plaintiffs by any court or other body.