01-06-07
Quote from Eliot Hosewater:
I'm starting this thread to discuss reverse collars mentioned by "4Q" (borankin), our visitor from the Optionetics board.
Quote from spindr0:
01-11-07
--------------------------------------
Quote from exQQQQseme:
Spin or Don:
Where is the carrying cost (other than the margin interest charge where
applicable) when the stock is shorted?
Bob
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's no carry cost for this situation. In fact, you should be receiving the interest. But as Don noted, since most brokers pay little or no interest on the proceeds from short stock, the reverse collar will underperform the synthetic call (or put) vertical by this amount.
As a general statement, for a collar (long or reverse) or any other option position, if the underlying makes a strong move against you, adjustments will not make the position profitable. They will just diminish the pain.
The only way that the option adjustments will be profitable will be if you add more risk (overwrite the short leg, buy more long legs, or roll). Eventually you will need to hit on one of these or have the underlying reverse. At some point in time, the stock will have to cooperate in order to make up the inherent risk within the hedged boundaries.
Spin
Quote from exQQQQseme:
01-11-07
Spin, why is it that you and a few others keep trying to argue with me and convince me that synthetics are better than collars? I have said more than once that I can't argue with you guys because I don't know that much about the synthetics. Matter of fact, as I get into it further I am understanding where you are coming from.
So, stop attempting to argue with someone who does not disagree with you.
Bob
Quote from spindr0:
03-15-07
-------------------------------------------------------------
Quote from exQQQQseme:
asap, I understand the "synthetic collar" part of your statement, but am having a difficult time envisioning a "riskless" situation. If you have a few minutes, I would greatly appreciate an example.
----------------------------------------------
It might help to know that the synthetic of a collar is a vertical spread. So if you leg in and can net a credit equal to the difference in strikes, it's riskless.
Quote from OddTrader:
After years, for the same old story:
"Reverse Collars"
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1322230

Quote from OddTrader:
"Those who know would never tell.
Those who tell would never use.
Those who use would never explain.
Those who explain would never know." --- OddTrader![]()
Quote from wayneL:
Sounds like something Lao Tzu might have said.![]()