Father Charged With Felony Murder in Son's Heat-Stroke Vehicle Death

Tsing Tao said:
Very colorful stories. But we're talking about children first, not papers or smoking grills.
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The car that sideswiped the other car had two kids inside...all because of a child in another car tossing paperwork out of the window...while a parent driving the car didn't notice what was occurring because of being too busy with a cell phone conversation. I'm sure you've heard about entire families killed in car accidents due to someone's negligence (e.g. poor driving, reckless driving).

I read last year a story about some upset girl texting her boyfriend while driving her car...she lost control of her car and hit a SUV...killing all occupants on a family vacation (4 kids killed).

The story remains the same regardless if its a child or adult that's injured or dead. Technology can be very distracting and once in awhile...it can be deadly. I once saw a guy blasting his music so loud with his car windows raised up in traffic...he didn't notice the ambulance behind him attempting to get by. What if that delay caused by him (he didn't move for about a minute) had cost someone their life ?

Just the same, technology also can save lives even when used in the most stressful situations.
 
wrbtrader said:
The car that sideswiped the other car had two kids inside...all because of a child in another car tossing paperwork out of the window...while a parent driving the car didn't notice what was occurring because of being too busy with a cell phone conversation. I'm sure you've heard about entire families killed in car accidents due to someone's negligence (e.g. poor driving, reckless driving).

I read last year a story about some upset girl texting her boyfriend while driving her car...she lost control of her car and hit a SUV...killing all occupants on a family vacation (4 kids killed).

The story remains the same regardless if its a child or adult that's injured or dead. Technology can be very distracting and once in awhile...it can be deadly. I once saw a guy blasting his music so loud with his car windows raised up in traffic...he didn't notice the ambulance behind him attempting to get by. What if that delay caused by him (he didn't move for about a minute) had cost someone their life ?

Just the same, technology also can save lives even when used in the most stressful situations.
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So where does the concept of negligence enter into this, and when should people be held accountable for what their negligence inflicts on others?
 
Here's another situation with a twist. How many times on a warm day (not hot as in temperatures above 80 F) have we walked by and saw a dog alone in a car with just the windows cracked open a few inches ?

The question was prompt by a recent incident. I was at the mall shopping a few weekends ago and I saw at least three different cars with a dog inside barking like crazy whenever someone walked by those cars. The temperature outside was like 78 F. One guy even put those aluminum reflector shield in his from window of his car with the dog running around from back seat to the front seat. :(

Maybe I should have called the cops ?

Anyways, I told my girlfriend about such. She responded and said that her sister (the vet doc) said that's illegal (criminal) and that folks that leaves their pets in the car like that will get arrested if caught by the police.

Once again, think about it carefully. What will you do the next time you see someone leave a pet (e.g. a dog) alone in the automobile with temperatures warm outside but not hot...what will you do ?

something to think about
 
wrbtrader said:
Here's another situation with a twist. How many times on a warm day (not hot as in temperatures above 80 F) have we walked by and saw a dog alone in a car with just the windows cracked open a few inches ?

The question was prompt by a recent incident. I was at the mall shopping a few weekends ago and I saw at least three different cars with a dog inside barking like crazy whenever someone walked by those cars. The temperature outside was like 78 F. One guy even put those aluminum reflector shield in his from window of his car with the dog running around from back seat to the front seat. :(

Maybe I should have called the cops ?

Anyways, I told my girlfriend about such. She responded and said that her sister (the vet doc) said that's illegal (criminal) and that folks that leaves their pets in the car like that will get arrested if caught by the police.

Once again, think about it carefully. What will you do the next time you see someone leave a pet (e.g. a dog) alone in the automobile with temperatures warm outside but not hot...what will you do ?

something to think about
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Citizens arrest.

:D
 
wrbtrader said:
The car that sideswiped the other car had two kids inside...all because of a child in another car tossing paperwork out of the window...while a parent driving the car didn't notice what was occurring because of being too busy with a cell phone conversation. I'm sure you've heard about entire families killed in car accidents due to someone's negligence (e.g. poor driving, reckless driving).
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Yes, horrible. But I have no idea why you're going on about this. I said that parents need to be focused on their children, not distractions. So in your above example about the papers, the parent needs to be focused on his child, not the cell phone. What is it you are trying to convince me of that I haven't already agreed with?

wrbtrader said:
I read last year a story about some upset girl texting her boyfriend while driving her car...she lost control of her car and hit a SUV...killing all occupants on a family vacation (4 kids killed).
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Horrible story. What else should I say about it?

wrbtrader said:
The story remains the same regardless if its a child or adult that's injured or dead. Technology can be very distracting and once in awhile...it can be deadly. I once saw a guy blasting his music so loud with his car windows raised up in traffic...he didn't notice the ambulance behind him attempting to get by. What if that delay caused by him (he didn't move for about a minute) had cost someone their life ?
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Riiight. So the lesson once again is concentrate and don't get distracted? Got it. :confused:

wrbtrader said:
Just the same, technology also can save lives even when used in the most stressful situations.
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Why yes, yes it can.
 
wrbtrader said:
Here's another situation with a twist. How many times on a warm day (not hot as in temperatures above 80 F) have we walked by and saw a dog alone in a car with just the windows cracked open a few inches ?

The question was prompt by a recent incident. I was at the mall shopping a few weekends ago and I saw at least three different cars with a dog inside barking like crazy whenever someone walked by those cars. The temperature outside was like 78 F. One guy even put those aluminum reflector shield in his from window of his car with the dog running around from back seat to the front seat. :(

Maybe I should have called the cops ?

Anyways, I told my girlfriend about such. She responded and said that her sister (the vet doc) said that's illegal (criminal) and that folks that leaves their pets in the car like that will get arrested if caught by the police.

Once again, think about it carefully. What will you do the next time you see someone leave a pet (e.g. a dog) alone in the automobile with temperatures warm outside but not hot...what will you do ?

something to think about
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It's not something to think about. It's an easy call. If I saw a child or pet left in a car on a hot day, I'd call the police. Why is this even a discussion, as if there is a grey area or something?
 
I was at a gas station once where the gas attendant used the intercom at the pumps to tell a mother to turn around and go back to her vehicle to get her sleeping toddler that she left alone in the auto as she walked away from the auto to go pay for her gas.
 
If a guy decides to leave his kid in the car while he pops out for a lengthy errand and the kid dies from being left there, that seems to me to be gross negligence or reckless conduct that is suitable for criminal prosecution. He made a conscious decision to leave the kid in that situation. He didn't intend for the kid to die, but intentionally exposed it to danger.

If he simply forgets he has the kid in the car, does that really rise to the same level of culpability? You could argue, and I suppose the state will, that it is gross negligence to forget you have the kid because you are held an elevated standard of care in that situation. Still, if I am on the jury, I would have trouble with convicting a dad who tragically forgot he had his kid.
 
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