Quote from dddooo:
What points are you talking about?
Points like Arab opposition to the very existence of Israel being completely understandable in '48, '67 and '73. Points like, with passing generations, the reality of Israel sinking in and being accepted by Arabs.
Who but hysterical Jews -- and those they've managed to dupe -- could possibly fail to see why Arabs were (are) opposed to Israel?
Say in the early 1900s Arabs began to settle in Granada, Spain. Small trickle at first. Spaniards didn't want them there, but that powers that were held that they must be allowed to come. In time, the trickle becomes a flood and in fifty years, Arabs form a third of Granada province. By then, Spaniards are well and truly fed up with the Arabs, but world opinion has swung the Arabs' way; afterall, it is said, Arabs had lived in Granada for well over 700 years. Spaniards will have none of it and the province runs rife with low-level interethnic violence. Citing the impossibility of co-existence, international bodies decide to recognize a Muslim state of Granada. Bla bla bla, you can fill in the rest.
If this had happened, which European wouldn't be completley understanding of a Spanish drive to recapture Granada
only two decades after it was so unjustly seized, after Spaniards were so unjustly driven from their homes? If it had been some Saudi or Iranian superpower funneling funds and arms to the Granada Arabs and infusing the entire world with ceaseless propaganda about the 'moral necessity' of a Granada Arab state, about the virtues of the Granada Arabs while the Granada Arabs continued to oppress the Spaniards and plan to seize more of their territory, wouldn't Europeans sustain a grudge against that Saudi or Iranian backer?
It's the same thing with the Arabs regarding Palestine. It's truly that simple. Why would anyone expect them to take seriously Jewish propaganda about the 'moral necessity' of a Jewish state, about Jewish 'claims' to the land (which, I'll make a wild assertion before checking the facts, they were probably in sovereign control of for less time than Arabs controlled Granada)?
Why do
we see the conflict solely through Jewish eyes and blindly support the Jewish state? Why do
we act as though our interests are at stake, as though Jewish enemies are
our enemies? Arabs are as baffled as I am until they realize the pervasiveness of Jewish progaganda and influence in the west.
ddoo has tried his damndest to give non-Jews a reason to take the Israeli side, but anyone willing to seriously think about
why they feel so strongly pro-Israel ought to be able to realize such support is not based on any kind of serious logic, only
feelings -- feelings inculcated by Jewish propaganda.
And finally you brought up the issue of Palestinian refugees and the right of return which everyone in the world realizes is a propaganda trick and a non-starter in any reasonable discussion about a two-state solution (well, some cash settlement can be negotiated).
Yes, yes, doo, a cheap propaganda trick. Lol.
Yet you completely ignored the facts that I provided that by and large it was a self-inflicted problem.
Oh what baloney. The evidence is overwhelmingly on the side of the 'new historians' that it was forced.
What about
my point, though, that even if it was voluntary, why shouldn't they be allowed back to the place of their births? I mean, besides the fact that that would probably spell doom for the overriding Jewish character of Israel. I mean, on democratic, humanitarian, grounds, why shouldn't they be allowed back? Let's hear it
Moreover you dismissed the issue of 900,000 jewish refugees who were brutally kicked out of the arab land after 1948 and resettled in Israel as irrelevant and not worthy of your attention. Too bad cause it's relevant and important to Israel.
Er, no. I said they could take up the issue with Egypt, Iraq etc. You know, to claim their 'right of return' to Bagdad or whatever.
