Fasting as 'an amazing way of life'.

[Frederick Foresight]

I get it, but I don't see that it helps with cravings to eat a diet of high nutritional density. I am implying that nobody actually has a "taste" for broccoli. You eat it because it's all upside; micro, fiber, kcals (nutrient dense, low kcal).

Okay. I won't say that broccoli was anywhere near my favorite food when I used to eat it. And I don't think it, alone, did much in the way of curbing my cravings for other foods. But what I think, and I'm just guessing here, is that avoiding or strictly limiting all carbs can possibly result in an empty carb overcompensation binge. So it's not the broccoli that's saving the day. It's the brown rice, other whole grains and the like. I would guess that broccoli plays a relatively minor role with its fiber content. It may help in curbing hunger, but it lacks the desired craving-suppression molecules I look for.

Again, just spit-balling here.

 

[destriero]

Okay. I won't say that broccoli was anywhere near my favorite food when I used to eat it. And I don't think it, alone, did much in the way of curbing my cravings for other foods. But what I think, and I'm just guessing here, is that avoiding or strictly limiting all carbs can possibly result in an empty carb overcompensation binge. So it's not the broccoli that's saving the day. It's the brown rice, other whole grains and the like. I would guess that broccoli plays a relatively minor role with its fiber content. It may help in curbing hunger, but it lacks the desired craving-suppression molecules I look for.

Again, just spit-balling here.

Well sure, but you can't eat carbs on keto. Nobody goes into it thinking that they can have a brownie here and there. The only carbs you can eat are green leafy shit. You simply cannot introduce any rice in the diet.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Well sure, but you can't eat carbs on keto. Nobody goes into it thinking that they can have a brownie here and there. The only carbs you can eat are green leafy shit. You simply cannot introduce any rice in the diet.

I get it. But that's what probably makes the diet unworkable for most people for any meaningful length of time. It requires the kind of iron discipline I know that I, and probably most other people, don't have. Enter binges and cheat days. So I think it probably looks better on paper than it does in the lives of most people.

I think we all understand each other here, but simply choose differently. Speaking of which, have you watched the Ornish TED talk yet? I'm waiting for your take on the patient whose improved arterial flow is mentioned at the 3-minute mark.

 

[destriero]

I get it. But that's what probably makes the diet unworkable for most people for any meaningful length of time. It requires the kind of iron discipline I know that I, and probably most other people, don't have. Enter binges and cheat days. So I think it probably looks better on paper than it does in the lives of most people.

I think we all understand each other here, but simply choose differently. Speaking of which, have you watched the Ornish TED talk yet? I'm waiting for your take on the patient whose improved arterial flow is mentioned at the 3-minute mark.

The "carb-loading" days are anathema. It's a scam perpetrated to make keto palatable. I love pulled pork but after a couple weeks of it for a meal a day I want to vomit--and pigs are twice as smart as dogs. I am off pork like a jew. I was on keto in Chicago with a relative who was also on keto. I stripped the bun on a burger and the dude was ordering fries (Portillo's). He says he's only going to eat a few. Stupidity is boundless... keto is not.

I have not listened to Ornish, will do it today.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

and pigs are twice as smart as dogs

Yeah, that hurt when I first learned about it. It didn't exactly leave me with a warm feeling all over. So I mostly limit my lean meat consumption to poultry. You know, bird brains.

 

[destriero]

Yeah, that hurt when I first learned about it. It didn't exactly leave me with a warm feeling all over. So I mostly limit my lean meat consumption to poultry. You know, bird brains.

Yeah, you can't pet a chicken. Big fan of chicken and turkey.

 

[El OchoCinco]

If you say one more bad word about bacon we are coming to blows

 

[vanzandt]

Question.

I've always wondered if under certain circumstances our bodies don't absorb 100% of the caloric intake and basically pass excess food.

To illustrate, lets say (just in theory now), you have two identical 350 pound persons. And I mean identical in every way including all physical activity. A parallel universe mirror image. Its a perfectly controlled experiment.

We start the year. Each day they have a protein shake or something like that for breakfast. Slimfast, whatever, not important. For lunch they each have an identical huge salad. But for dinner, they both get another huge salad but one guy also gets a Big-Mac. The other guy just gets his salad. Now... on the third day, the one fellow who went without, he gets 3 Big Macs with dinner. So the total food for both subjects is the same after three days, they each had 3 Big Macs, and the rest of the food was identical.

This goes on for an entire year. My question is, or I should say that I am going to put forth here... the guy who gets his three Big Macs all at once... at the end of the year, he will have lost more weight. I believe the body will push a decent percentage of those Big Macs out without utilizing 100% of their caloric value, therefore at years end, this chap will have lost more weight. Its just the way our body's work I think. Under the right circumstances, if someone stuffs themselves, that excess food is ushered out in a timely manner and you don't get 100% absorption.

Thoughts?

 

[El OchoCinco]

Q. I believe the body will push a decent percentage of those Big Macs out without utilizing 100% of their caloric value,

Are you overlooking the whole "stores excess calories as fat" function in the body

if what you say is true then we could all eat as much as we want and just shit and piss out what we don't need and never gain any weight.

What ever your body does not need in excess it converts to fat for storage for the most part. Thus the Fatty McFatties we see.

 

[vanzandt]

Are you overlooking the whole "stores excess calories as fat" function in the body

if what you say is true then we could all eat as much as we want and just shit and piss out what we don't need and never gain any weight.

What ever your body does not need in excess it converts to fat for storage for the most part. Thus the Fatty McFatties we see.

Well, yeah, thats certainly true if you pig out on a constant basis. But I'm talking more about when the body is in the mode of fasting or serious dieting. I think it gets used to going without and when you suddenly overload it, it just pushes it out. Sure it absorbs a lot of it, but in the example above, I think subject "A" has his Big Macs more completely absorbed than subject "B" when he eats all three at once. Your body doesn't want all that food in there.