Fascists retake Italy

[gwb-trading]

citation needed. And my point is that even in 1992, I could go out and buy a button press or order bumper stickers if I was a republican running a smear campaign on the opposition (or a troll in 20xx showing "1990's campaign material")

Keep in mind when Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas he approved the state flag design which included the confederacy reference.

Bill Clinton, the Confederacy, and the Arkansas State Flag
https://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-WB-56139

"In 1987, Mr. Clinton signed Act 116 reaffirming a state flag design that included a star symbolizing the state’s membership in the Confederacy."

 

[Cuddles]

[QUOTE="? I never claimed the "switchening" happened overnight .

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GWB: Dems are the party of open borders, pro-Islam, pro inclusivity, pro-CRT, pro trans rights

Also GWB: Dems are the KKK

 

[gwb-trading]

GWB: Dems are the party of open borders, pro-Islam, pro inclusivity, pro-CRT, pro trans rights

Also GWB: Dems are the KKK

So answer a simple question --- does the Original KKK organization still ban the membership of Republicans?

Of course -- there is no response from you about the actions of Bill Clinton supporting a state flag wrapped in references to the Confederacy. When presented with facts you merely re-direct the subject.

 

[Cuddles]

So answer a simple question --- does the Original KKK organization still ban the membership of Republicans?

Of course -- there is no response from you about the actions of Bill Clinton supporting a state flag wrapped in references to the Confederacy. When presented with facts you merely re-direct the subject.

I'm not as well versed on joining the KKK or confederacy symbolism as you seem to be, sorry.

In any case, what is the point of the derail?

Are you trying to make the case that parties evolve in defense of neo-fascist Meloni, in which case you're failing miserably by shooting down your argument and saying dems are the KKK.

if that is your argument, that parties can evolve (and I agree, again, read "southern strategy"), I'd counter that Meloni's politics are indistinguishable from the fascist old guard, while you're somehow arguing that dems platforms have remained unchanged (which they haven't), again, refuting your own point.

 

[gwb-trading]

I'm not as well versed on joining the KKK or confederacy symbolism as you seem to be, sorry.

So --- you still have no response regarding Bill Clinton approving the Arkansas state flag which includes references to the Confederacy. Yet at the same time --- you are trying to claim the Clinton-Gore campaign would have nothing to do with the confederate flag. Yeah, right.

Sadly your ignorance of history is self-imposed and you simply don't want to learn anything which diverges from your political bias and preconceptions. I would urge you to open your mind -- learn about the history and its ramifications. For example, I will note that Democratic political campaigns using confederate flags on pins, etc. was fairly common in the South back in early 1990s. It was not frowned on in the way it is today as society has evolved to opposed confederate monuments, flag displays, etc.

I take an active interest in history - I am currently reading "A Day of Blood - The 1998 Wilmington Race Riot". The history of the South is fascinating in it evolution, culture, and events. Sadly the legacy of racism, the KKK, and the Confederacy is very much part of the history --- but to counter the narrative pushed by some individuals trying to "white-wash" this history you need to be aware of the facts and their context.

 

[Cuddles]

So --- you still have no response regarding Bill Clinton approving the Arkansas state flag which includes references to the Confederacy. Yet at the same time --- you are trying to claim the Clinton-Gore campaign would have nothing to do with the confederate flag. Yeah, right.

Sadly your ignorance of history is self-imposed and you simply don't want to learn anything which diverges from your political bias and preconceptions. I would urge you to open your mind -- learn about the history and its ramifications. For example, I will note that Democratic political campaigns using confederate flags on pins, etc. was fairly common in the South back in early 1990s. It was not frowned on in the way it is today as society has evolved to opposed confederate monuments, flag displays, etc.

I take an active interest in history - I am currently reading "A Day of Blood - The 1998 Wilmington Race Riot". The history of the South is fascinating in it evolution, culture, and events. Sadly the legacy of racism, the KKK, and the Confederacy is very much part of the history --- but to counter the narrative pushed by some individuals trying to "white-wash" this history you need to be aware of the facts and their context.

I will concede the Clinton campaign threw dog whistles for old dogs (super predators, 3 strikes, crime bills, border rhetoric, etc...) and yes, it's possible regional campaigns printed buttons and stickers for the dem campaign, but you must at least admit showing me a picture of a sticker or button proves nothing as these are easy to reproduce.

I'll also admit that the rhetoric of the confederacy has drastically changed (for the better imo), and lots of southerners (including politicians) had a "whitewashed" to use your terminology, glorified historical viewpoint of it. So Clinton may have gotten the same silly education as many in the south did and still do and approving confederate symbolism (which to me seems hamfisted, but others may miss), was likely a nod to that "heritage". So yes, even dems 40 yrs ago held retrograde beliefs. Or are you telling me everyone was on board the "let the gays marry" and "trans-rights" bandwagon back then?

Again, I never claimed the KKK was not founded by racist southern conservatives (who were back then, gasp, "Democrats"), yet you try to push that history while ignoring the history of policies switch post civil rights.

 

[LacesOut]

While Nazis were fascists and allied w/fascists (as anyone who's ever read anything about the Axis powers or the bombing of Guernica will tell you), I am not calling Meloni a Nazi, but a fascist.

Only Nazis are Nazis. That’s why the leftist position is so ludicrous. But that’s your position.

 

[Cuddles]

Only Nazis are Nazis. That’s why the leftist position is so ludicrous. But that’s your position.

that's because neo-nazis is a mouthful, plus ideology is indistinguishable from other anti-Semite racists like the KKK/other white supremacists so it's used analogously. Much like fascist is used erroneously to leftist authoritarianism, whereas the correct terminology is "authoritarian" or the less wrong "fascistic".

 

[gwb-trading]

German politicians get all angsty about fascist win in Italian election. And they know a few things about fascists.

Italy election: German politicians voice anxiety over far-right win
Politicians across the ideological spectrum in Germany have expressed concern about Giorgia Meloni's electoral success. However, the far-right AfD voiced support for Meloni, who looks likely to be Italy's next leader.
https://www.dw.com/en/italy-election-german-politicians-voice-anxiety-over-far-right-win/a-63245381

 

[Cuddles]

...but you must at least admit showing me a picture of a sticker or button proves nothing as these are easy to reproduce... So yes, even dems 40 yrs ago held retrograde beliefs. Or are you telling me everyone was on board the "let the gays marry" and "trans-rights" bandwagon back then?......yet you try to push that history while ignoring the history of policies switch post civil rights.