falwell is dead

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aaa said - "those who claim to value "tolerance" above everything are revealed to be the most intolerant"

That pretty much describes Falwell does it not?

aaa again - "every moron on ET seems to have felt a need to demonstrate their ignorance"

And your taking your turn now as am I.
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Your attacking others for their view is just like them attacking you for your views. No difference at all. So every name you call them applies to you too. You can't preach tolerance while being intorerant yourself, well you can but it makes you look foolish.

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

...It's telling that those who claim to value "tolerance" above everything are revealed to be the most intolerant, hate-filled bigots. They are tolerant up to the point that someone disagrees with them, then they want to see them dead...

I can't speak for others, but I don't think that tolerance should be extended to the intolerant. Surely you can figure that out. Jerry Falwell was an intolerant man who wrapped himself in the cloak of God and passed judgment on anyone unlike him. He did not just judge other people's opinions, he also judged the value of those people. I am not celebrating his death. However, I did not celebrate his life, either.

Jerry Falwell personified all that is wrong with religion. There is a tendency for the deeply religious (i.e., deeply self-righteous) to let faith crowd out good judgment, quite apart from any issues relating to ethics. Where true spirituality is a personal thing, Mr. Falwell gave us the "Moral Majority," a veritable holy tyranny that sought to impose its will on everyone else.

I have been described as being intolerant of religion. That is not entirely correct. I am not at all religious and I cannot really understand how mature, intelligent people can actually believe in a deity. However, that is a matter of opinion, not judgment, because I have friends who are religious and with whom I get along quite well (apart from religious debate). However, I occasionally encounter people who I would describe as deeply religious. Almost invariably, they are self-righteous, judgmental and intolerant. I don't know if there is a causal relationship, but there certainly appears to be a correlation. That is what I have difficulty tolerating.

 

[Haroki]

Quote from Thunderdog:

I can't speak for others, but I don't think that tolerance should be extended to the intolerant. Surely you can figure that out. Jerry Falwell was an intolerant man who wrapped himself in the cloak of God and passed judgment on anyone unlike him. He did not just judge other people's opinions, he also judged the value of those people. I am not celebrating his death. However, I did not celebrate his life, either.

Jerry Falwell personified all that is wrong with religion. There is a tendency for the deeply religious (i.e., deeply self-righteous) to let faith crowd out good judgment, quite apart from any issues relating to ethics. Where true spirituality is a personal thing, Mr. Falwell gave us the "Moral Majority," a veritable holy tyranny that sought to impose its will on everyone else.

I have been described as being intolerant of religion. That is not entirely correct. I am not at all religious and I cannot really understand how mature, intelligent people can actually believe in a deity. However, that is a matter of opinion, not judgment, because I have friends who are religious and with whom I get along quite well (apart from religious debate). However, I occasionally encounter people who I would describe as deeply religious. Almost invariably, they are self-righteous, judgmental and intolerant. I don't know if there is a causal relationship, but there certainly appears to be a correlation. That is what I have difficulty tolerating.

Excellent post..

You sound like a reasonable person.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

The ET atheists are every bit as self righteous, judgmental, and intolerant as the religious folks, stop deluding yourself.

Quote from Thunderdog:

I can't speak for others, but I don't think that tolerance should be extended to the intolerant. Surely you can figure that out. Jerry Falwell was an intolerant man who wrapped himself in the cloak of God and passed judgment on anyone unlike him. He did not just judge other people's opinions, he also judged the value of those people. I am not celebrating his death. However, I did not celebrate his life, either.

Jerry Falwell personified all that is wrong with religion. There is a tendency for the deeply religious (i.e., deeply self-righteous) to let faith crowd out good judgment, quite apart from any issues relating to ethics. Where true spirituality is a personal thing, Mr. Falwell gave us the "Moral Majority," a veritable holy tyranny that sought to impose its will on everyone else.

I have been described as being intolerant of religion. That is not entirely correct. I am not at all religious and I cannot really understand how mature, intelligent people can actually believe in a deity. However, that is a matter of opinion, not judgment, because I have friends who are religious and with whom I get along quite well (apart from religious debate). However, I occasionally encounter people who I would describe as deeply religious. Almost invariably, they are self-righteous, judgmental and intolerant. I don't know if there is a causal relationship, but there certainly appears to be a correlation. That is what I have difficulty tolerating.

 

[ElCubano]

Quote from Thunderdog:

I am not at all religious and I cannot really understand how mature, intelligent people can actually believe in a deity.

why cant you understand?? i am not very religious myself, but do believe in a diety...why is that not understandable to you ??? A person that seems to me to be a very smart kid...

 

[ElCubano]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

The ET atheists are every bit as self righteous, judgmental, and intolerant as the religious folks, stop deluding yourself.

not too mention some are outright insulting...just take a look back at the religious threads and you will see what i mean...

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

The position is regularly one of ridicule, demeaning and condescending comments from the ET atheist toward the theists, with near Hell Fire and Brimstone zeal in their presentations, lots of dogma and there is little to zero tolerance toward people and their belief systems if they are opposite the atheists at ET.

Quote from ElCubano:

not too mention some are outright insulting...just take a look back at the religious threads and you will see what i mean...

 

[Pa(b)st Prime]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

I don't loathe people who disagree with me, I have a problem with people who want to pass laws that invade privacy, tell people how they should live, want to make law on the basis of their view of the Bible, etc.

Isn't the secular Left as anti-libertine as the religious Right?

At least the religious right contains themselves to just a few "moral" issues like abortion, homosexuality and the like.

Quite a few people also despise the Left for the same reasons you ascribe resentment of some to the religious right.

Even seemingly innocuous stuff like motorcycle helmet laws freak people out.

Let alone the wealth transference system of taxes that threatens earners with prison if they refuse to tithe six months a year on behalf of Big Brother so that influential contractors can get rich and Federal employees can retire at 55 with virtually full salary and benefits.

Certainly you remember how Reagan so effectively tapped into America's resentment of Big Government i.e. the mammoth created under the FDR-Nixon Democrat Congress.

Picking fights with bigots like Falwell is easy. Examining the whole system and concluding it's anti individual is too daunting for feeble minds.

 

[acronym]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

I wonder how widespread this loathing for Christians is. Certainly every moron on ET seems to have felt a need to demonstrate their ignorance. It's telling that those who claim to value "tolerance" above everything are revealed to be the most intolerant, hate-filled bigots. They are tolerant up to the point that someone disagrees with them, then they want to see them dead.

I am also impressed once again by the need for those who are on the other side of these bigots to arm themselves and prepare to defend their families and communities. We are closer to Venezuela-style mob-rule marxism than people realize. I certainly wouldn't want to depend on a government run by the likes of these hate-twisted cretins to defend me.

Well done , equating dislike of extremist cults to communism in the one post.


Anyone remember billy graham? I know of entire families, large portions of communities, that gave EVERYTHING to his church.

EVERYTHING. All spare moneys, all spare food, their kids wearing rags running around in the fucking snow, so billy fucking grahams god bothering SICK cult could prosper, but dont worry, YOU will be granted eternal fucking salvation for your troubles.

If you dont fucking FREEZE to death first.

Another apologist for a pointless, death worshipping sick cult, JMO.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

The left is not trying to pass laws to outlaw marriage for heteros...

The estate tax has been around for a long time, before the left was the left...and a desire to see that poor and needy people in this country get the basic necessities of life (including decent and adequate health care, are in my mind, essentially real Christian ideals.)

Moral issues, based on religious belief, that is not open to debate, reason, compromise, etc.

That's the problem...

I don't support such dogmatism on either side of the equation, left or right.

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:

Isn't the secular Left as anti-libertine as the religious Right?

At least the religious right contains themselves to just a few "moral" issues like abortion, homosexuality and the like.

Quite a few people also despise the Left for the same reasons you ascribe resentment of some to the religious right.

Even seemingly innocuous stuff like motorcycle helmet laws freak people out.

Let alone the wealth transference system of taxes that threatens earners with prison if they refuse to tithe six months a year on behalf of Big Brother so that influential contractors can get rich and Federal employees can retire at 55 with virtually full salary and benefits.

Certainly you remember how Reagan so effectively tapped into America's resentment of Big Government i.e. the mammoth created under the FDR-Nixon Democrat Congress.

Picking fights with bigots like Falwell is easy. Examining the whole system and concluding it's anti individual is too daunting for feeble minds.