FactCheck.org: GOP âPledge To Americaâ Wrong On Facts
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you're really doing your best to grasp at straws. you claim the number the GOP used was pulled out of their ass. why dont you go find out how they calculated it? or are you just pulling that claim out of YOUR ass? even if they DID pull it out of their ass, that is STILL an estimate, as is the one from the government accountability office. no one knows what the cost of the stimulus will be 10 years from now. not unless they have a time machine.
how fucking stupid can one person be? sheesh, my 5 year nephew gets this logic.
This is a bit surreal. Factcheck is not a credible, independent organization, but was created by liberals to rebut claims about obama in '08.
We can debate statistics all we want, but does anyone really think obama's plan is to shrink government or government spending(except bigdavediode)? Or that private sector employment is lagging? Or that obama's various stimulus schemes will do anythingother than pay off already overpaid government workers and increase our debt?
Don't tell me Bush ran up the deficit either. Of course he did, but he had to deal with the fallout of the tech bubble, created under Clinton, 9/11 and two wars. Did he overspend? Yes, of course, but a lot of it was pushed by democrats. Did he overreach with two wars? Yes, but democrats voted overwhelmingly in favor of them both.
Obama could have drawn down both wars. Instead, he is doubling down on a losing hand in afghanistan.
Anyway, the question is what we do going forward. Republicans have taken a stand against more "stimulus" spending. Obama is in favor. That is the choice.
We can debate statistics all we want, but does anyone really think obama's plan is to shrink government or government spending(except bigdavediode)? Or that private sector employment is lagging? Or that obama's various stimulus schemes will do anythingother than pay off already overpaid government workers and increase our debt?
Don't tell me Bush ran up the deficit either. Of course he did, but he had to deal with the fallout of the tech bubble, created under Clinton, 9/11 and two wars. Did he overspend? Yes, of course, but a lot of it was pushed by democrats. Did he overreach with two wars? Yes, but democrats voted overwhelmingly in favor of them both.
Obama could have drawn down both wars. Instead, he is doubling down on a losing hand in afghanistan.
Anyway, the question is what we do going forward. Republicans have taken a stand against more "stimulus" spending. Obama is in favor. That is the choice.
The CBO does. "In August, CBO projected a slow rebound in employment, with the rate falling to just below 9 percent by the end of 2011, and then declining more rapidly to near its long-run sustainable level of 5 percent by the end of 2014." -- http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/collections.cfm?collect=16
Regarding the stimulus, the CBO disagrees with you on that as well: "CBO estimates that in the first quarter of calendar year 2010, ARRAâs policies:
* Raised the level of real (inflation-adjusted) gross domestic product (GDP) by between 1.7 percent and 4.2 percent,
* Lowered the unemployment rate by between 0.7 percentage points and 1.5 percentage points,
* Increased the number of people employed by between 1.2 million and 2.8 million, and
* Increased the number of full-time-equivalent (FTE) jobs by 1.8 million to 4.1 million compared with what those amounts would have been otherwise. (Increases in FTE jobs include shifts from part-time to full-time work or overtime and are thus generally larger than increases in the number of employed workers.)" -- http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=967
And as for deficit spending -- "For example, if all tax provisions that are scheduled to expire in the coming decade were extended and the AMT were indexed for inflation, deficits over the 2011â2020 period would be more than $7 trillion higher." Ie. the Republican platform of extending tax cuts.
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YOU said that they estimated it but can't cite a single source, why do I have to find the source.
What kind of bullshit logic is this where I have to find proof for what you claimed.
follow me on this, bonehead. do your best to keep up.
since there is no way to say with fact what the bailout would cost in 10 years, any number assigned by anyone on planet earth would have to be done so through an estimate. therefore, i do not have to know how the republicans, or the cbo, or you, or santa claus calculated the number to know that it is an estimate, because 10 years simply haven't happened yet. and unless you compare how each came to the estimate, you have no basis for argument that one estimate is better than another.
i simply can not dumb it down any more for you.
so the CBO has a time machine whereby it can go into the future and get the actual number the stimulus will cost in 10 years, eh?
both the CBO and the GOP are using estimates. both are "made up". that's what an estimate is, jackass. a guess. a guess based on various things - models, statistics, experience, whatever.
i cannot believe how fucking stupid you are. i just can't believe it. this has to be a wind up.