Fact Checking Covid-Denier Nonsense

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Outraged Anti-Vaxxers Learn The Red Cross Doesn't Separate Vaccinated And Unvaccinated Blood
What's sad is that they actually thought they did this to begin with.
https://www.wonkette.com/p/outraged-anti-vaxxers-learn-the-red

Earlier this week, there was a false report going around Infowars and other “news sources” where they kind of just make things up, claiming that the Red Cross wouldn’t accept blood from people who had been vaccinated against COVID.

My God, they were overjoyed. Just absolutely deliriously thrilled, thinking that the medical establishment had finally confirmed what they knew to be true in their guts all along.

Just look at this guy. This was the best day of his life. He couldn’t stop smiling!

That’s Canadian conspiracy theorist Chris Sky, who ran for mayor of Toronto last year on a platform of banning 15-minute cities and digital IDs. (And he would have won, too, if the whole thing hadn’t been rigged!) He’s a real piece of work.

They based this on the fact that the Red Cross asks if you’ve been recently vaccinated on their questionnaire to determine if you’re qualified to donate blood. This is, of course, not because the blood is “tainted,” but because many people get sick for a few days after taking the vaccine. The Red Cross won’t take your blood if you have a fever or are otherwise ill. Most of us already know that. They also won’t take your blood if you are anemic, if you are on certain other medications or if you are taking antibiotics.

Alas, the celebration was short-lived. On Wednesday, woman-abusing creep Steven Crowder shared a clip of an “undercover journalist” talking to the Red Cross and finding out that they don’t even separate vaccinated and unvaccinated blood.

“BREAKING!” he announced on social media. “[A Red Cross] official tells undercover journalist they DO NOT SEPARATE donated blood based on COVID-19 vaccination status; ADMITS unvaccinated recipients can UNWITTINGLY RECEIVE blood from vaccinated donors.”

It’s a real nice touch, I think, to have an “undercover journalist” call in to find out what the Red Cross has been saying publicly for years. That way people will think it’s something they’ve been hiding.

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The “undercover journalist” pretended to be a doctor with no familiarity with blood transfusion protocols and called up the Red Cross to ask if her “patients” would be able to only get unvaccinated blood if they need a transfusion.

The person on the other end of the call explained that of course they don’t separate vaccinated and unvaccinated blood and that if her “patients” want only “unvaccinated blood” they have to use their own blood that they’d previously taken and had set aside or blood from a family member.

The Red Cross worker explained to the person obviously pretending to be a doctor that the reason they ask is because they wouldn’t take blood from someone currently experiencing side effects — specifically referencing a donor who got tinnitus after being vaccinated and was told she wouldn’t be able to donate. Tinnitus is known to be a side-effect of several vaccines and while the CDC hasn’t been able to “find any data suggesting a link between Covid-19 vaccines and tinnitus," cases of it happening have been well-documented. It’s not ideal, sure, but there’s nothing on earth that has no possibility of unwanted side-effects, including drinking water. (If you drink too much water you can get hyponatremia AKA a sodium deficiency!)

Did they actually, seriously think the Red Cross was going to separate vaccinated blood and unvaccinated blood to accommodate the beliefs of ridiculous conspiracy theorists? What did they think was going to happen if they went into an emergency room unconscious? The doctors would wait to see which kind of blood they want? Did they think a blood sommelier would bring them a menu of options to choose from? “Oh, I’ll take the blood of a 26-year-old unvaccinated brunette with no history of seasonal allergies, thank you!”

The responses to this non-revelation were wild.

Janna M., whose profile states that she is a nurse, wrote, “This is exactly why my chart says no transfusions,” and then further explained that she would prefer death over getting a blood transfusion with vaccinated blood.

Neal C. responded, “I have knocked on multiple blood bus doors at walmart and asked ‘f a person has taken the covid shot can they still donate blood?’ the response has been ‘yes’ [I[ then said ‘ok, so you are taking contaminated blood?’ I then get the door slammed in my face!”

Wow, can you believe they wouldn’t want to talk to him?

User Henry Facey added that he was also mad at the Red Cross helping immigrants not freeze to death. “The American Red Cross is giving out blankets in all the different ILLEGAL migrant centers across this country. They raise questions about donation eligibility, but they don’t care if you receive vaccinated blood or not? Color me shocked!”

SJ Swami tried to sound intellectual about it (and failed), writing, “This revelation underscores a critical gap in blood donation protocols, posing potential risks for unvaccinated recipients. Transparency and stringent screening are imperative to ensure safety and informed consent.”

The only safety risk is that they would bleed out and die because they refused transfusion that might have come from a vaccinated person.

Someone using the handle A Nobody added, “They just need to look for the blood that is so clotted it looks like raspberry JELLO,” demonstrating some real medical expertise.

“Thus,” opined A_FL_Salt, “opening the door to malpractice lawsuits when recipients get injured or die from getting tainted blood. We damn well know high rollers are getting the pureblood while the plebs get the depopulation supply. Imagine the chain expenses insurance companies are facing both medical and liability on this? A cost pass onto us!”

Oh boy, does that ever seem like a thing that is really happening in real life.

There were also some very healthy and normal reactions to this on the Great Awakening message board (the QAnon one):

“Ask for the "Jehovah's Witness Protocol" if you have to have an operation. Avoids all blood products, and hence is safer.”

“Red cross does not care if pure bloods get poisoned. Something must be impacting the money. Which is probably the sales of blood to big pharma. The poisoned blood will not created the products big pharma uses to make meds....big pharma tells blood gatherers ‘pure blood only’. That makes sense to me.”

“They wanted to give me a transfusion summer of 2022 for a bleeding stomach ulcer. I told them no vaxxed blood. I would only take blood from someone who was not vaxxed. I signed out AMA. What can they do for me as the bleeding had stopped on it's own, PTL?”


So, these people are going to refuse blood transfusions and possibly die, because they don’t want to accidentally get vaccinated blood, because they believe it will kill them. Take a moment to really absorb that one.

I think part of the outrage is because many of them are living in a full-on LARP in which everyone has come around to their way of thinking on the COVID vaccine and there are only a few “backwards” outliers who think it’s a good thing. Either that, or they think that by pretending this is the world they are living in, people who don’t pay that much attention will assume that’s the case. Like, they are more or less doing The Secret.

If the Red Cross were to accommodate their beliefs, that would be a huge win for them. It would allow them to point to it and say “See? If the vaccines were really ‘safe and effective,’ the Red Cross wouldn’t be doing this!” like they were doing the other day with the fake news that they weren’t taking vaccinated blood.

At this point — especially given that they say they are willing to die to remain “purebloods” — I don’t think this is about the actual vaccine at all, so much as it is that being opposed to the vaccine is fulfilling an emotional/psychological need that these people cannot imagine living without. It makes them feel good to call themselves “purebloods,” to imagine all of the vaccinated people dropping dead from myocarditis (which you’re far more likely to get with actual COVID) and realizing they were wrong to believe the vaccine was safe. They like the idea of all the “smart” doctors and medical organizations having to admit that the conspiracy theorists were right all along.

This has yet to happen, and it most definitely will not, so they have to will it into existence by pretending that it is.

Not shocking...

There are still a lot of Americans in need of blood to live who do not want blood from vaccinated people, do not want blood from someone of a different race, do not want blood from someone of a different religion, do not want blood from someone with a different political belief...

The Red Cross stopped catering to these idiots during World War II after they made the mistake of catering to them to only have an unusual number of people die because their requested blood was not available when they needed it.

We remain grateful to the community leaders who have held us accountable and who continue to do so while supporting and advocating for our humanitarian mission. Today, the Red Cross stands firm in its dedication to diversity and inclusivity, and resoundingly rejects hate, racism, and bigotry of any kind.

The above words are from a blood donation center not that far from Fort Campbell, Kentucky...home of my Screaming Eagles.

Here's a little mind twister that many do not know...which world-famous guitarist served with the 101st Airborne Division??? (hint: Purple Haze)

Yeah, my old man met him when the guitarist was a private and before he became famous although they were in different units. My old man was a 2nd Lieutenant at the time of their meeting...fresh out of the ROTC program. My dad did not like the private (guitarist). :D

wrbtrader
 
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Sorry Tsing, but you are still wrong on the whole covid and vaccin thing. Yes there are side effects. But covid is a lot worse. All studies so far confirm this.

So please explain the whole "covid is just a cold" combined with "vaccins kill millions" logic to me. It just doesn't make sense.

I had COVID. Two days it took me to get over it. Was actually shorter than a flu or cold. Never got the vax. Went through my whole household, and everyone was fine. No one vax'd.
 
I had COVID. Two days it took me to get over it. Was actually shorter than a flu or cold. Never got the vax. Went through my whole household, and everyone was fine. No one vax'd.

Ok. And my family and myself got the vaccin. Didn't notice anything at all.
Does that prove side effects are non-existent? No.
But you not dying from covid in the same way doesn't prove others don't.

It's about odds and large numbers.
Looking at it from the perspective of an entire society the vaccin is the rational choice.
 
I had COVID. Two days it took me to get over it. Was actually shorter than a flu or cold. Never got the vax. Went through my whole household, and everyone was fine. No one vax'd.
Was it early on in the pandemic or later? Did you and your family get tested. If so, what test was used and what was the result?
 
Ok. And my family and myself got the vaccin. Didn't notice anything at all.
Does that prove side effects are non-existent? No.
But you not dying from covid in the same way doesn't prove others don't.

It's about odds and large numbers.
Looking at it from the perspective of an entire society the vaccin is the rational choice.

Percentage of family members (immediate)...all vaxxed and boosted once, no one was infected with Covid and no one had any severe side effects.

Relatives in two different countries (France and the United States)...all vaxxed and boosted once, no one was infected those with immune system problems going into the Pandemic. No one had any severe side effects. Yet, my brother (a doctor in the states), and his family (wife and kids) are double boosted.

Close friends in 5 different countries...50% of the friends were infected with Covid...they barely had a cough. 8% died from Covid...all died without the family being able to be with them in the hospital. Not one was vaccinated. :banghead:

What was very interesting about my friends...the ones that survived and barely had a cough versus the ones that died...the ones that barely had a cough were in excellent shape & health food eaters before being infected with Covid. In contrast, those who died from Covid...they had health problems going into the Pandemic such as Diabetes, Obesity, Low Blood Pressure, High Blood Pressure, Cancer, Smokers, Heavy Meat Eaters, and seldom exercised.

Those that died...they all died from Covid Pneumonia while on life support in the hospital. One of them infected a nurse...the nurse later died. She was young...about 25 years old and had recently been married.

The Pandemic was horrible and depending upon where you lived and your health status before the Pandemic...some barely had a cough while others had severe Covid infection that required hospitalization and some died from Covid Pneumonia.

I was (still am) one of the ones that have an immune system problem going into the Pandemic from an illness (Sepsis Pneumonia) that almost killed me in the fall of 2016. Simply, I did not fuck around and believed the misinformation/disinformation bullshit...

In addition, I'm highly allergic to a few of the vaccines (J&J and Pfizer) except for Moderna. Had I been vaccinated with those two vaccines...I could have had a severe vaccine reaction. Instead, my doctor vaccinated me with Moderna.

I'm lucky because less than 10% of the vaccinated population were tested for vaccine allergies before getting a Covid vaccination. Worse...about 80% of the vaccinated population had a Covid test on the day of the vaccination. Simply, a very large percentage of the global vaccinated population...blindly took the Covid vaccine without knowing it they were suitable for vaccination.

I had to take care of my health and get vaccinated because I'm a parent of three children who travel often between three different countries. Simply, it was not a time to become a Covidiot.

Why did I not become double boosted ???

I became more dependent upon face masking while traveling from country to country...same with my children. More importantly, I have a science degree that involves immunology & genetics plus I did an internship in college in an infectious disease research lab. I felt the the first vaccine booster would jump start my immune system to a level my body needed without needing to get a 2nd booster.

With that said, I have family in different countries...some of them are first responders. A few are military. We all took the Pandemic very seriously and stayed focused on surviving the Pandemic...

We didn't want to roll the dice or play Russian Roulette to see if we would be lucky and just barely have a cough.

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Ok. And my family and myself got the vaccin. Didn't notice anything at all.
Does that prove side effects are non-existent? No.
But you not dying from covid in the same way doesn't prove others don't.

It's about odds and large numbers.
Looking at it from the perspective of an entire society the vaccin is the rational choice.

So then how can you say I'm wrong about anything if you just told me it doesn't prove anything?

You engaged me, telling me i was wrong about COVID.

And, just for your edification, "vaccine" has an "e" in it.

As for your argument on "odds and large numbers", I can make the same argument for the flu or for the common cold.
 
Was it early on in the pandemic or later? Did you and your family get tested. If so, what test was used and what was the result?

"Early" is a subjective term. It was 2021, late spring. I don't remember the actual brand test, as I had not thought that Piezoe would require the actual brand name three years later. The result was positive - twice, which is why I knew I had it.
 
...I'm lucky because less than 10% of the vaccinated population were tested for vaccine allergies before getting a Covid vaccination. Worse...about 80% of the vaccinated population had a Covid test on the day of the vaccination. Simply, a very large percentage of the global vaccinated population...blindly took the Covid vaccine without knowing it they were suitable for vaccination...

I stated something incorrectly in my prior message...I said about 89% of the vaccinated population had a Covid test on the day of their vaccination. I meant to say about 80% of the vaccination population had NO Covid test on the day of their vaccination. Thus, they blindly took the Covid vaccination.

That's my beef with the Covid Vaccination process (not with Trump/Pence Operation Warp Speed)...

80% blindly took the Covid vaccination without being required to be tested for allergies and being tested to ensure they were not infected with COVID-19 considering it's estimated about 25% of the population were infected with Covid...

They did not know they were infected, were too lazy to get tested considering they barely had a cough or were tested and given an inacurrate negative result when they were positive for Covid.

Why is the above a big deal?

The probability of having a severe bad reaction to the Covid vaccine increases dramatically if you're vaccinated when you're infected with Covid (a no-no in immunology) or when you're allergic to the Covid vaccine...another no-no in immunology.

As stated, I was lucky because I was tested for Covid on my vaccination date along with being required to answer a medical questionnaire that asked if I was sick. In addition, my Doctor who vaccinated me had my medical records and he knew about my illness in the fall of 2016...

I had a very dangerous allergic reaction when I was in a Coma and being treated for sepsis pneumonia...a few of those ingredients in that treatment were in the J&J and Pfizer vaccine.

Simply, I was instead vaccinated in 2021 with Moderna because it did not have those ingredients that I am allergic to.

Hopefully, there will be required tests on the day of vaccination to ensure the person is suitable to be vaccinated if we have another Pandemic...the emphasis needs to be placed on the family Doctor vaccinating people and not some random vaccination clinic that pops up overnight or a local pharmacy that does not have access to your medical records.

wrbtrader
 
So then how can you say I'm wrong about anything if you just told me it doesn't prove anything?

You engaged me, telling me i was wrong about COVID.

And, just for your edification, "vaccine" has an "e" in it.

As for your argument on "odds and large numbers", I can make the same argument for the flu or for the common cold.

You posted a personal anecdote, my point is that is not relevant in this discussion.

All studies so far prove vaccination was the right thing to do. That is why I said you are wrong. Yes, side effects exist. But taking everything into account vaccination saves lifes. That is a fact, not an opinion.

Flu and especially common cold are not a good comparison since covid's pressure on hospitals was a lot higher. You are comparing apples to oranges here.

Thanks for correcting me on the spelling of vaccine, I'll try to not make the same mistake again.
 
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