I recently attended the Bright Trading âSchoolâ week in Las Vegas. Overall, I was very disappointed. The information discussed was very simplistic and huge amounts of time were wasted by presenters boring everyboyd with anecdote after anecdote. Furthermore, Don made severl statements which were just pure untruths - which I will list below.
The whole focus of the week was to convince people to sign up with Bright Trading. Don begins the presentation by saying that although he will make references to Bright, the information is applicable to all traders, and is not meant to be a sales pitch for Bright...and then proceeds to subject us to a week long infomercial on the benefits of Bright Trading. I wonder why I was made to attend - I'd already made up my mind that I wanted to join the firm!
I guarantee you this - if you plan on attending to learn something, but don't intend to join the firm, don't go. Save your thousand dollars. You will go home feeling sorely disappointed - as many told to me by many attendees.
As I said, Don makes some outrageous statements (bordering on outright lies) in his relentless attack on anything not-Bright.
On Day One, he discusses the various âplayersâ in the market. A discussion that should take 10 minutes takes more than an hour, because Don has listed such âplayersâ as âonline investorsâ, âretail tradersâ and âprofessional tradersâ. For all intents and purposes - specifically, the purpose of making money - these are the same. You cannot tell me that you can look at the tape and say, âoh, that print was a âretail traderâ...therefore I'll do this...â. What a joke. The only reason Don lists them as âplayersâ is so that he take the time to bash retail trading.
According to Don, there is really no such thing as retail âdirect accessâ. Why? Because, according to Don, your order has to go through your broker so that your margin can be checked. Ooh no. That takes how long Don? Milliseconds? Of course, Don fails to mention how exactly this makes it harder to trade. (Answer - it doesn't.)
Don quotes ridiculously out of date retail comissions of $19.95/side, so that he can favorably compare them to his firm's penny per share.
Let's compare Bright commissions to using a top notch retailer like IB. If you trade 30 round trips per day with 2000 shares (the amount of shares you'll do when you're âseriousâ - Don):
IB = (.01 * 500) + (.005 * 1500) *2 (round trip) = $25
Bright = (.01 * 2000) *2 = $40
IB = 30 (round trips) * $25 = $750
Bright = 30 * 40 = $1200
Hmm, can't compete there can you Don? And, please, don't bring up that 4,000,000+ traders get .0075/share. How many people do that many shares? Sure, I bet Don can come up with reams of traders doing that much. For the beginner, IB offers a WAY better deal.
Don also relentlessly bashes Nasdaq. There is nothing wrong with preferring to trade listed as opposed OTC, but the lies Don spreads about Nasdaq makes me wonder if he has some ulterior motive.
According to Don, Nasdaq is impossible because Market Makers don't honor the their quotes. This is simply NOT TRUE. Sure, in PREMARKET they don't, but they are NOT REQUIRED to. The rest of the day MMs certainly trade with you at their quoted price. Don has probably never traded Nasdaq, because if he did, he'd know this is true.
Don also says that MMs have 30 seconds to decide if they want to deal with you. This information is hopelessly out of date. Somebody next to me mentioned it, but Don ignored him and continued on with his tirades.
Don also tells us it is impossible to trade Nasdaq because of the erratic price movements of Nasdaq stocks. Don talks about stocks making 20 point daily swings. More outdated information. Don tells stories about market orders being filled $20 away from the where they were entered. Don is either woefully behind the times, or an outright liar. Don, can you name ONE Nasdaq stock that has had daily 20 point swing in the past year? Just ONE.
Sorry to carry on this much, but everything I've said is true, and it is true I was totally disappointed with the $1000 I spent. It is NOT as Don has lied on this site, a lifetime fee. It is only lifetime if you decide to join the firm. Otherwise, you can go back once. Personally, I would never go back. There was NOTHING that they discussed that I didn't already know (or else disagree with).
If you are considering joining the firm, don't let me deter you. Apart from this, they are a fine firm, financically strong, with many successful traders. But don't just blindly attend the âschoolâ thinking that there is much value to it. There is a bit - but certainly not $1000 worth. (Especially considering about half the time - seriously - is spent selling the firm to the attendees.)
If Don stays to true to form, he'll ignore all of my allegations (he's hardly going to admit to them is he?), he'll make a storm in a tea cup that this is my first post and cry to Baron and the name of this thread will probably be changed.
Don and Baron: I have no ulterior motives in posting this thread. I am a trader discussing a trading product - a broker - with other traders. Just as an audio enthusiast would discuss a particular stereo system with other audio enthusiasts.
The whole focus of the week was to convince people to sign up with Bright Trading. Don begins the presentation by saying that although he will make references to Bright, the information is applicable to all traders, and is not meant to be a sales pitch for Bright...and then proceeds to subject us to a week long infomercial on the benefits of Bright Trading. I wonder why I was made to attend - I'd already made up my mind that I wanted to join the firm!
I guarantee you this - if you plan on attending to learn something, but don't intend to join the firm, don't go. Save your thousand dollars. You will go home feeling sorely disappointed - as many told to me by many attendees.
As I said, Don makes some outrageous statements (bordering on outright lies) in his relentless attack on anything not-Bright.
On Day One, he discusses the various âplayersâ in the market. A discussion that should take 10 minutes takes more than an hour, because Don has listed such âplayersâ as âonline investorsâ, âretail tradersâ and âprofessional tradersâ. For all intents and purposes - specifically, the purpose of making money - these are the same. You cannot tell me that you can look at the tape and say, âoh, that print was a âretail traderâ...therefore I'll do this...â. What a joke. The only reason Don lists them as âplayersâ is so that he take the time to bash retail trading.
According to Don, there is really no such thing as retail âdirect accessâ. Why? Because, according to Don, your order has to go through your broker so that your margin can be checked. Ooh no. That takes how long Don? Milliseconds? Of course, Don fails to mention how exactly this makes it harder to trade. (Answer - it doesn't.)
Don quotes ridiculously out of date retail comissions of $19.95/side, so that he can favorably compare them to his firm's penny per share.
Let's compare Bright commissions to using a top notch retailer like IB. If you trade 30 round trips per day with 2000 shares (the amount of shares you'll do when you're âseriousâ - Don):
IB = (.01 * 500) + (.005 * 1500) *2 (round trip) = $25
Bright = (.01 * 2000) *2 = $40
IB = 30 (round trips) * $25 = $750
Bright = 30 * 40 = $1200
Hmm, can't compete there can you Don? And, please, don't bring up that 4,000,000+ traders get .0075/share. How many people do that many shares? Sure, I bet Don can come up with reams of traders doing that much. For the beginner, IB offers a WAY better deal.
Don also relentlessly bashes Nasdaq. There is nothing wrong with preferring to trade listed as opposed OTC, but the lies Don spreads about Nasdaq makes me wonder if he has some ulterior motive.
According to Don, Nasdaq is impossible because Market Makers don't honor the their quotes. This is simply NOT TRUE. Sure, in PREMARKET they don't, but they are NOT REQUIRED to. The rest of the day MMs certainly trade with you at their quoted price. Don has probably never traded Nasdaq, because if he did, he'd know this is true.
Don also says that MMs have 30 seconds to decide if they want to deal with you. This information is hopelessly out of date. Somebody next to me mentioned it, but Don ignored him and continued on with his tirades.
Don also tells us it is impossible to trade Nasdaq because of the erratic price movements of Nasdaq stocks. Don talks about stocks making 20 point daily swings. More outdated information. Don tells stories about market orders being filled $20 away from the where they were entered. Don is either woefully behind the times, or an outright liar. Don, can you name ONE Nasdaq stock that has had daily 20 point swing in the past year? Just ONE.
Sorry to carry on this much, but everything I've said is true, and it is true I was totally disappointed with the $1000 I spent. It is NOT as Don has lied on this site, a lifetime fee. It is only lifetime if you decide to join the firm. Otherwise, you can go back once. Personally, I would never go back. There was NOTHING that they discussed that I didn't already know (or else disagree with).
If you are considering joining the firm, don't let me deter you. Apart from this, they are a fine firm, financically strong, with many successful traders. But don't just blindly attend the âschoolâ thinking that there is much value to it. There is a bit - but certainly not $1000 worth. (Especially considering about half the time - seriously - is spent selling the firm to the attendees.)
If Don stays to true to form, he'll ignore all of my allegations (he's hardly going to admit to them is he?), he'll make a storm in a tea cup that this is my first post and cry to Baron and the name of this thread will probably be changed.
Don and Baron: I have no ulterior motives in posting this thread. I am a trader discussing a trading product - a broker - with other traders. Just as an audio enthusiast would discuss a particular stereo system with other audio enthusiasts.