ratboy, you've been eating too much head cheese.
"Explosive 9/11" video... can't debunk!
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If this is your best response you're losing the debate. You just continue to add co-conspirators. Now it's the entire media. Is there anyone that wasn't "in on it"? Have you thought, even for a moment, as to the monumental task you're suggesting. ...THOUSANDS of people conspiring to suppress your so-called truths. It just ain't possible!
they know they will lose their cushy media job if they report the truth. it is possible and it is reality. explain the BBC clip then. please research it responsibly and tell me why not one mainstream media outlet reported on it. bbc claims they lost all copies of their news that day, one of the biggest news days the world has ever known. how did they have pre-knowledge that wtc7 would collapse. makes Lucky Larry's "pull it" statement all the more suspicious. i take it back.. it is not suspicious.. it is definitive. they did it. the bldg was demo'd.... anyone denying that is drinking the koolaid.
the media is not imbedded with govt, it is in-bed with it. anybody recalls the documentary "conspiracy of silence" scheduled to air on BBC a couple of decades ago? stuff about corrupt institutions of government, molested childen, drug smuggling and republicans pedophile rings? washington politicians paid off the BBC 1 mln not to air it and all copies were destroyed. only 1 copy survived and made it to the internet.
<i>did you see the BBC clip where they reported wtc7 had collapsed while the bldg stood intact in the background?</i>
---> Yes, from this thread. I hadn't known about that until now.
Regarding WTC7, I was watching CNBC & Fox News that day, and I remember that before wtc7 fell, they were saying how that building was badly damaged, and how it might have to be intentionally destroyed for safety reasons. I'm not sure what it all means- just telling you what I remember hearing before the building went down.
<i>rearden i know you know 9/11 was an inside job..... just admit it. there is no way you can tell me wtc7 was not a controlled demo.</i>
----> Well, you know that I'm too open minded to rule it out, and too open minded to laugh at those who present alternative explanations. Most everyone else laughs at you, but I listen. This government murdered between 26,000 to 55,000 people with Vioxx... so adding another 3,000 to that tally isn't all that far-fetched.
---> Yes, from this thread. I hadn't known about that until now.
Regarding WTC7, I was watching CNBC & Fox News that day, and I remember that before wtc7 fell, they were saying how that building was badly damaged, and how it might have to be intentionally destroyed for safety reasons. I'm not sure what it all means- just telling you what I remember hearing before the building went down.
<i>rearden i know you know 9/11 was an inside job..... just admit it. there is no way you can tell me wtc7 was not a controlled demo.</i>
----> Well, you know that I'm too open minded to rule it out, and too open minded to laugh at those who present alternative explanations. Most everyone else laughs at you, but I listen. This government murdered between 26,000 to 55,000 people with Vioxx... so adding another 3,000 to that tally isn't all that far-fetched.
There is no such consesus among historians. Many beleive the arsonist wasn't working for the Nazis <i>or</i> the Bolshevists, but rather; he was a disturbed pyromaniac acting alone.
Hitler's seizing the opportunity to quickly erase both political competition and German civil liberties, is the part that no one disputes.
the guy was found having seizures in the back of the street, he couldn't even tie his shoes together yet he managed to bring down an enormous bdg, the bolshevic connection has long been debunked. the guy had no motive, no means, no nothing...when u prosecute a case the first thing u need to establish is motive and opportunity. if you cant find any in your prime suspect u have to follow a different lead.
and i said 'serious' historians not all historians, it was even mentioned in my school history book.
Being a keen history buff, ive noticed a number of things about historians.
They are almost exclusively, full of it.
They are "experts", yet not one of them was around at the time, an eyewitness if you like.
They work from available info, info in these kind of circumstances, invariably censored, destroyed, partial actuality at best.
Yet they provide theories, lecture tours, on what, by definition, can only remain a conspiracy theory.
THis is a classic example;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribbentrop-Molotov_pact
Curiously, the document seems to be "real" , a thing that actually occured.
Oddly, there was a secret clause, well, who'da thunk?
Historians? The public?
Dammit, i want facts, known facts, ill draw my own assesments, i beleive the role of a historian should be like a clerk, a scientist, the editorialisation of history is dangerous and sets a poor precedent.
They are almost exclusively, full of it.
They are "experts", yet not one of them was around at the time, an eyewitness if you like.
They work from available info, info in these kind of circumstances, invariably censored, destroyed, partial actuality at best.
Yet they provide theories, lecture tours, on what, by definition, can only remain a conspiracy theory.
THis is a classic example;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribbentrop-Molotov_pact
Curiously, the document seems to be "real" , a thing that actually occured.
Oddly, there was a secret clause, well, who'da thunk?
Historians? The public?
Dammit, i want facts, known facts, ill draw my own assesments, i beleive the role of a historian should be like a clerk, a scientist, the editorialisation of history is dangerous and sets a poor precedent.
the reichstag fire:
Arrest the Communists
Hitler was already in power the day the Reichstag burned. An aging Hindenberg was in the process of handing over power, and the chancellorship was in the hands of Hitler and the Nazis, but the control of the legislature was not yet theirs. The Communists and Labor parties as well as some fractioned parties still held special interests: as long as power was only partial, the National Socialists would never succeed in their ultimate but stll clandestine plans. Seemingly out of the blue, the building housing the German Legislature burns down, reportedly from Arson. A mentally-slow person by the name of von Lubbe is named. He has a history of falsely claiming responsibility for arson.
The arson had one fatal characteristic: it was carried out with utter precision, accomplished in the span of less than a half hour. In that short time, the massive stone structure is burned violently followed by an explosion so great that it finishes the destruction of the building. The obscure von Lubbe is immediately arrested.
The Nazi Party had already had one success: Goring had commandeered the Interior Ministry of Prussia which left the National Socialists under Hitler in charge of 2/3 of the German Police. Their power however was not complete. Immediately after the burning of the Reichstag, Hitler and Goring showed up on the scene. There were plans to rebuild.
The Nazis immediately place the blame for the fire on the Communists: this, they claimed was a terroist act by those they considered 'degenerate'. In this state of contrived "emergency" the Nazis implored the enactment of severe civil rights restrictions until this period of 'danger' was over. The enactment, meant to create a temporary safe period of time until matters could be sorted out, was instead used to rob the Communists of power and Civil Rights. Not to be stopped, Hitler extended interpretations to allow the arrest of many of the opposition, creating a situation in which he was able to take power. As mentioned elsewhere in this site, the Chancellorship and the Presidency were then combined giving Hitler control over the Legislature, Military, Police, and in essence creating for him one of the most exclusive dictatorships in history.
Who burned the Reichstag?
The 'mystery' over who was actually responsible for the burning of the Reichstag has been a favorite discussion of WWII historians since the 1940s. Some believed von Lubbe acted alone, but he had falsely 'confessed' to at least one other arson which he was never a part of. Some believe von Lubbe was set up. The Nazis blamed the Communists. Most historians generally now agree that the neatly planned arson with an explosion which allowed the suspension of civil rights and arrest of Communist Party members one month before the re-convening the legislative session in which the National Socialists took power. History would later see the Nazis perform other 'planned' 'random' acts, such as Krystallnacht, which was made to appear as public outrage, even though documentation has subsequently shown that all mechanisms for the "night of broken glass" were already in place.
One thing is certain: the burning of the Reichstag immediately gave an airtight platform for the Nazis to take power in Germany. Hitler gained control over the legislature, and plans to rebuild the Reichstag were already in action. Anti-Communist rhetoric found a facile place in the heart of domestic Germany: the Communists were now 'enemies of the State', allowing actions against them to prevail with little opposition. No one incident was totally responsible for the establishment of Hitler as dictator, but thevan der Lubbe-the developmentally delayed factory worker who belonged to the communist party, on the scene of the fire at the Reichstag in 1933, whom the Nazis used as a target to blame all communists burning of the Reichstag was figured prominently in the transition from Republic to Fascist State.
One Nazi official, years after the war asked if the Nazis had anything to do with the fire. His reply was telling. He responded that he would be a fool to say that they did, and a d---- liar to say that they did not.1 The Reichstag has been rebuilt/refurbished as the "Bundestag" and now once again is the seat of lawmaking in Germany.
http://www.shoaheducation.com/reichstag.html
Arrest the Communists
Hitler was already in power the day the Reichstag burned. An aging Hindenberg was in the process of handing over power, and the chancellorship was in the hands of Hitler and the Nazis, but the control of the legislature was not yet theirs. The Communists and Labor parties as well as some fractioned parties still held special interests: as long as power was only partial, the National Socialists would never succeed in their ultimate but stll clandestine plans. Seemingly out of the blue, the building housing the German Legislature burns down, reportedly from Arson. A mentally-slow person by the name of von Lubbe is named. He has a history of falsely claiming responsibility for arson.
The arson had one fatal characteristic: it was carried out with utter precision, accomplished in the span of less than a half hour. In that short time, the massive stone structure is burned violently followed by an explosion so great that it finishes the destruction of the building. The obscure von Lubbe is immediately arrested.
The Nazi Party had already had one success: Goring had commandeered the Interior Ministry of Prussia which left the National Socialists under Hitler in charge of 2/3 of the German Police. Their power however was not complete. Immediately after the burning of the Reichstag, Hitler and Goring showed up on the scene. There were plans to rebuild.
The Nazis immediately place the blame for the fire on the Communists: this, they claimed was a terroist act by those they considered 'degenerate'. In this state of contrived "emergency" the Nazis implored the enactment of severe civil rights restrictions until this period of 'danger' was over. The enactment, meant to create a temporary safe period of time until matters could be sorted out, was instead used to rob the Communists of power and Civil Rights. Not to be stopped, Hitler extended interpretations to allow the arrest of many of the opposition, creating a situation in which he was able to take power. As mentioned elsewhere in this site, the Chancellorship and the Presidency were then combined giving Hitler control over the Legislature, Military, Police, and in essence creating for him one of the most exclusive dictatorships in history.
Who burned the Reichstag?
The 'mystery' over who was actually responsible for the burning of the Reichstag has been a favorite discussion of WWII historians since the 1940s. Some believed von Lubbe acted alone, but he had falsely 'confessed' to at least one other arson which he was never a part of. Some believe von Lubbe was set up. The Nazis blamed the Communists. Most historians generally now agree that the neatly planned arson with an explosion which allowed the suspension of civil rights and arrest of Communist Party members one month before the re-convening the legislative session in which the National Socialists took power. History would later see the Nazis perform other 'planned' 'random' acts, such as Krystallnacht, which was made to appear as public outrage, even though documentation has subsequently shown that all mechanisms for the "night of broken glass" were already in place.
One thing is certain: the burning of the Reichstag immediately gave an airtight platform for the Nazis to take power in Germany. Hitler gained control over the legislature, and plans to rebuild the Reichstag were already in action. Anti-Communist rhetoric found a facile place in the heart of domestic Germany: the Communists were now 'enemies of the State', allowing actions against them to prevail with little opposition. No one incident was totally responsible for the establishment of Hitler as dictator, but thevan der Lubbe-the developmentally delayed factory worker who belonged to the communist party, on the scene of the fire at the Reichstag in 1933, whom the Nazis used as a target to blame all communists burning of the Reichstag was figured prominently in the transition from Republic to Fascist State.
One Nazi official, years after the war asked if the Nazis had anything to do with the fire. His reply was telling. He responded that he would be a fool to say that they did, and a d---- liar to say that they did not.1 The Reichstag has been rebuilt/refurbished as the "Bundestag" and now once again is the seat of lawmaking in Germany.
http://www.shoaheducation.com/reichstag.html