Experts tell White House coronavirus can spread through talking or even breathing

[Turveyd]

This is incorrect. Zero point one is an order of magnitude too low. It is 1-3% dependent on the demographics of the particular population affected, and assuming there are enough respirators available. But it isn't just death, its being so ill you wish you were dead, its potential permanent lung damage, its all of the resources needed to save thousands of critically ill. That's what makes it worth the expenditure of money and effort to prevent as many infections as possible. Prevention done right is 3 orders of magnitude less expensive than infection. We, in the United States, are not gaining that full three orders of savings, because we did not do it right!

Thankfully NOT

Re look at the figures, it's 1 - 6% of tested, only people going to hospital are tested, ie people suffering 8+ out of 10, right ??

Most people Me + 15 others at this stage have had mild symptom's and 30 others which should of had it had zero symptoms so far. ( Zero Tests so messing with the stat's )

It's spreads as well ( Nearly ? Faster ) as the Flu or the common Cold, you can't stop them, you can't stop this.

USA Prediction 150K deaths, that's 0.05% if true of population. Flu X's 2!



We are merely trying to slow the infection rate down, so the 0.5% ( guessing ) that need hospital care can get it, otherwise yes, it'll be 0.5% ( might 1% worst case )

All of the Deaths are TESTED WITH ( UK for sure, read the words ), not died because, which is making it seem worse, been adding heart attacks, car crashes where they tested positive, not died on a Ventilator or waiting for a Ventilator as it should be. 50% count in the UK.

Burn out, is when most 80%+ have it.

USA 150K deaths expected thats 0.05% of population or Flu X's 2!!

 

[piezoe]

Thankfully NOT

Re look at the figures, it's 1 - 6% of tested, only people going to hospital are tested, ie people suffering 8+ out of 10, right ??

Most people Me + 15 others at this stage have had mild symptom's and 30 others which should of had it had zero symptoms so far. ( Zero Tests so messing with the stat's )

It's spreads as well ( Nearly ? Faster ) as the Flu or the common Cold, you can't stop them, you can't stop this.

USA Prediction 150K deaths, that's 0.05% if true of population. Flu X's 2!



We are merely trying to slow the infection rate down, so the 0.5% ( guessing ) that need hospital care can get it, otherwise yes, it'll be 0.5% ( might 1% worst case )

All of the Deaths are TESTED WITH ( UK for sure, read the words ), not died because, which is making it seem worse, been adding heart attacks, car crashes where they tested positive, not died on a Ventilator or waiting for a Ventilator as it should be. 50% count in the UK.

Burn out, is when most 80%+ have it.

USA 150K deaths expected thats 0.05% of population or Flu X's 2!!

fair enough, and you raise excellent points. The truth is we still do not know the true death rate from Covid and it will vary from country to country. Nevertheless your estimates for the death rate among the infected are still an order of magnitude too low.

Probably our most reliable numbers are coming out of South Korea where there was very wide spread testing and repeat testing of non-symptomatic persons. And very well organized mitigation. Of 10,062 cases of infection (symptomatic plus non-symptomatic) the death rate stands at 1.74 percent!

Assume every one in the U.S. could be tested at the same rate as in South Korea and that the death rate is the same as in South Korea -- a best case scenario. Then consider by comparison the actual situation in the U.S. We know, even allowing for many undetected infections, the U.S. the death rate will be higher than South Korea's because the U.S. is 34th in the world in terms of access and outcomes in medical care* and its mitigation of Covid is nowhere near that of South Korea's. It is therefore virtually impossible that we will do better than the death rate in South Korea. Then consider access to ventilators and a state by state haphazard approach and you have the potential for up to perhaps as high as double the South Korea rate which would put the U.S. in the neighborhood of a 3.5 % death rate. That is my prediction for the death rate in the U.S. I hope it doesn't go higher that. I fear it might.

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*It's of course at the bottom of all 17 industrialized nations we regularly compare ourselves to, but it's even well below about 17 other nations too.

 

[Turveyd]

fair enough, and you raise excellent points. The truth is we still do not know the true death rate from Covid and it will vary from country to country. Nevertheless your estimates for the death rate among the infected are still an order of magnitude too low.

Probably our most reliable numbers are coming out of South Korea where there was very wide spread testing and repeat testing of non-symptomatic persons. And very well organized mitigation. Of 10,062 cases of infection (symptomatic plus non-symptomatic) the death rate stands at 1.74 percent!

Assume every one in the U.S. could be tested at the same rate as in South Korea and that the death rate is the same as in South Korea -- a best case scenario. Then consider by comparison the actual situation in the U.S. We know, even allowing for many undetected infections, the U.S. the death rate will be higher than South Korea's because the U.S. is 34th in the world in terms of access and outcomes in medical care* and its mitigation of Covid is nowhere near that of South Korea's. It is therefore virtually impossible that we will do better than the death rate in South Korea. Then consider access to ventilators and a state by state haphazard approach and you have the potential for up to perhaps as high as double the South Korea rate which would put the U.S. in the neighborhood of a 3.5 % death rate. That is my prediction for the death rate in the U.S. I hope it doesn't go higher that. I fear it might.

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*It's of course at the bottom of all 17 industrialized nations we regularly compare ourselves to, but it's even well below about 17 other nations too.

I thought the same as you until 2 weeks ago, then you'll spot the lying and media manipulations, really not as bad as the hype is claiming.

below 0.5% and crisp high five for me and vice versa.

I really hope I'm right on this 1.

 

[Pekelo]

Went to buy beer yesterday at the distributor. At the CC machine, everyone had to use the same electronic pen to sign. Nice....

Nepal locked down with zero infection, I assume they have zero infected or dead.

 

[Turveyd]

Went to buy beer yesterday at the distributor. At the CC machine, everyone had to use the same electronic pen to sign. Nice....

Nepal locked down with zero infection, I assume they have zero infected or dead.

Locked down from outside before getting any nice, but how long can you remain like that ??

 

[apdxyk]

Even Bhutan has it. The infection has been around far earlier than was announced.

 

[Turveyd]

Even Bhutan has it. The infection has been around far earlier than was announced.

Fits a video facebook banned, they picked an up and coming virus and media blew it out of proportion.

If so having once might not make you 100% immune as I swear i had it bad in December then mild 5 weeks ago.

Been around and close contact with 1 who had it over 14days ago and all fine, so 99% sure had it.

 

[Turveyd]

NHS twitter feed all quite very few cases spare beds and ICUs today.

Mate i get to read that off, does not believe the death numbers since the jumped for UK last 3 or 4 days.

Confused looks all over, calm before the storm or that's it?

Looks like normal deaths, weekly death numbers on average, just 1/3rd of them testing positive and pushing numbers up.

ODD!

Know of 3 deaths from mates mates no details on died testing positive or from pneumonia, you'd of thought would mentiom terrible death and ventilator\ICU but nope.

 

[Turveyd]

SHIT, china just went back into a lockdown ( immediate, but unoffical, everyone stay in there home, while we make it official ), 13,000 new cases they'd forgotten to mention, when are they going to get it, everyone is going to get this, it's not the plague calm down, slow and control the rate of the old and sick and let it burn through everyone else.

France, wasn't happy with there deaths and added on loads of deaths in OAP homes, which later tested for C19, not fishy at all.

 

[piezoe]

Fits a video facebook banned, they picked an up and coming virus and media blew it out of proportion.

If so having once might not make you 100% immune as I swear i had it bad in December then mild 5 weeks ago.

Been around and close contact with 1 who had it over 14days ago and all fine, so 99% sure had it.

Get tested for antibodies. If you test positive, go and volunteer at the hospital. They need you.